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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 11:26 AM
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Heya,

so I'm planning to swap my d15b vtec with a B16a2.
I already bought the B16, can you give me some tuning tips for it to reach around 250bhp all motor please? I already have Skunk2 Pro Stage 2 camshafts in mind, but i would like to know what more aftermarket parts i need to make it reliable, and fast.

My budget is around $4000 just to spend on engine tuning parts. Any tuning setups with dyno charts are highly appreciated!

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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 11:27 AM
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 11:33 AM
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put a b20 bottom end on it. ls/vtec kit. call it day.

with the b16a itself? not gonna happen. well bhp maybe but who cares about bhp?
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 11:40 AM
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Thanks grumblemarc.

Red Army, about the b20 block, i live in a small island called Malta, and the b20 is very rare here. Also it would not be affordable because of Licence & insurance costs, because i plan to drive my delsol even on the street. Still a good idea tho.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 11:49 AM
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Not sure what a B20 block has to do with licensing and insurance but its not a bad idea. Why were you thinking 250 hp?
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 12:00 PM
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On a 1.6L? NA? Not happenin without a little positive pressure.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 12:02 PM
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No way in hell you will get 250 out the b16 N/A without a serious build.

4k wont do it.



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Not sure what a B20 block has to do with licensing and insurance but its not a bad idea. Why were you thinking 250 hp?

We have no idea on that laws in Malta.

For all we know his insruance rates are based on the type of engine he has, or it may be illegal all toghter.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 12:05 PM
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250hp n/a=too much money of even possible
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 12:09 PM
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IMO if stuff is that rare I wouldn't even push to much past intake headers and exauhst be cause if you mess something up or your engine takes a **** you will be out of a car or shipping a new engine
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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Everything I've read says no way in hell.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 12:30 PM
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Wait wait let me make explain a bit. I'm not a pro in tuning cars and this forum helped me in lots of ways. I'm planning to build a 1.6l for my pleasure, as a sunday car, but still want it to be powerful for track days. Regarding the 250hp, i thought it was possible with aftermarket internals. Then again 200hp for me would be enough, as long as it's N/A.

Sorry for my first post because i didn't explain exactly what i wanted to say.
So, i have a budget of $4000 (for parts) and i would like a powerful, reliable setup for a 1.6l with that amount of cash.

@Gsrsi i meant that the b20 is rare here, other b-series engines are highly overused and tuned for 1/4mile
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 12:35 PM
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If you have 4k, boost it. Even with forged internals and built head, your still lookin at a bit over 200hp.

I would go with a GSR crank and GSR rods, but you will need custom pistons then, but you have money for it.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 12:52 PM
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200hp is enough for me. I dont plan on boosting it, as i said before. I really would like to find a list of parts that i have to buy for a good build, like brand names and stuff like that so i get an idea of the cost.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyDA9
If you have 4k, boost it. Even with forged internals and built head, your still lookin at a bit over 200hp.

I would go with a GSR crank and GSR rods, but you will need custom pistons then, but you have money for it.
He could even use a ls crank if he wanted too.

I know someone that has, even with a fully built head, buddy club 5's he still can't break 200whp.
Granted some of this is due to P2V issues. if he went a little farther with the engine he could do 200.


Now, that still blows your 4k budget.

Op, are you stuck useing a b16? OR, could a GSR be considered?
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 01:34 PM
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didn't omniman build a 200 hp stock block b16a ? I thought he used to sell a video on how to do it
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by egsleepercivic
didn't omniman build a 200 hp stock block b16a ? I thought he used to sell a video on how to do it
Years ago.

And yes, the DVD is like $90 though.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 02:12 PM
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He could even use a ls crank if he wanted too.

I know someone that has, even with a fully built head, buddy club 5's he still can't break 200whp.
Granted some of this is due to P2V issues. if he went a little farther with the engine he could do 200.


Now, that still blows your 4k budget.

Op, are you stuck useing a b16? OR, could a GSR be considered?
He could use the LS crank, but god forbid if that timing belt skips only a couple teeth.

And the custom pistons, the wrist pin would be liek touching the oil ring.

Yea I would look into selling the 1.6 for a GSR.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyDA9
He could use the LS crank, but god forbid if that timing belt skips only a couple teeth.

And the custom pistons, the wrist pin would be liek touching the oil ring.

Yea I would look into selling the 1.6 for a GSR.
Oh I know. lol
You would really have to be on top of that thing at all times.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 02:33 PM
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I currently have a 90 ef hatch with a full b16a2 swap in it. im thinkin of doin the h22b swap and buyin the QSD kit so i can use my same tranny, buy the explicit speed alternator relocator and the traction bars. also gonna get the chipped p28 and then a obd0 - obd1 jumper harness. sir hood im hoping will work with spacers and middle of the intake manifold removed. anyone think of anything else i might need?
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 02:34 PM
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You might want to post in the EF forum and stop jacking threads.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 98civdx
Oh I know. lol
You would really have to be on top of that thing at all times.
Ahah yea I would be cringing everytime I got on it a little.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 05:35 PM
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Ahah yea I would be cringing everytime I got on it a little.
Yeah, I would as well.

The limiter is set at like 10,xxx!

It's held up amazinly, aside from needed rings/ and possibly valve seals there are no issues that I am aware of.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DirtyDA9

Yea I would look into selling the 1.6 for a GSR.
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Old Jan 26, 2012 | 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 98civdx
Yeah, I would as well.

The limiter is set at like 10,xxx!

It's held up amazinly, aside from needed rings/ and possibly valve seals there are no issues that I am aware of.
That thing revs it ***** off! Damn! Lol gotta love the reliability of honda's, except the idiots that don't build it right and wonder why their engine is muffin up. Main reason LSV's got a bad rep.
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Old Jan 27, 2012 | 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by DirtyDA9
That thing revs it ***** off! Damn! Lol gotta love the reliability of honda's, except the idiots that don't build it right and wonder why their engine is muffin up. Main reason LSV's got a bad rep.
Oh yes it does!
What I like the most, It makes power all the way up there, and likely past that.



I remember waaay back in the day when LS/vtecs started to get popular, I was trying to get my friend to do it. But he wouldn't because he couldn't rev it past 7.2k, or he'd throw a rod. Some dumbass here told him that.

Once the bearings gave up, we were able to talk him into it. ITR pistons, ARP rod bolts, ACL race bearings, stock ITR head, and she rev's happily to 8.7k to this day.
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