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Old Jan 16, 2012 | 03:36 PM
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Ok so im wanting to run E85 on my set up.. I have ID 1000cc and if i use e85 ill run out of injector so i need to bump up to 2000cc. Ive seen some denso II that are like $500 and id 2000cc for $900. Here some info on my build

84mm 9.7.1
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Its fully built.. Best time was 10.6@146mph with a 1.8 60ft psi was around 18-24 lbs keept boost creepin. (gettin that fixed) Goal is i want to hit 9's level at 26-28psi. I was told E85 will be alot safer for my motor since i have a heavy foot so wut u guys recommend???
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 12:43 PM
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Have you check out Bisimoto new line of High Imped. custom injectors? We have done testing with our 2000cc on our turbo 2012 Civic Si K24 which made 1004whp on VP gas E85R and Bisimoto Wagovan 700+whp on pump gas with an AEM water/meth kit. Bisimoto Fuel Injectors
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 12:47 PM
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id2000's and call it a day.
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 12:49 PM
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really? so you do what Injector dynamics does also you just match sets? IF that's not custom i don't know what is!

Go get some ID2000 or maybe some deatschwerks injectors which are cheaper then all these. Don't let these companys tell you they "custom" make these injectors they just get say a Denso injector and then just make sure they all flow the same. No real R&D on the part of bisimoto or ID or deatschwerks
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Julio@Bisimoto
Have you check out Bisimoto new line of High Imped. custom injectors? We have done testing with our 2000cc on our turbo 2012 Civic Si K24 which made 1004whp on VP gas E85R and Bisimoto Wagovan 700+whp on pump gas with an AEM water/meth kit. Bisimoto Fuel Injectors

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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SR20S13
really? so you do what Injector dynamics does also you just match sets? IF that's not custom i don't know what is!

Go get some ID2000 or maybe some deatschwerks injectors which are cheaper then all these. Don't let these companys tell you they "custom" make these injectors they just get say a Denso injector and then just make sure they all flow the same. No real R&D on the part of bisimoto or ID or deatschwerks
Actually there has been testing and developing with Bisimoto high flow injectors to be capable of support all type of fuels including VP Q16 and other oxygenated fuels which none of the injector brands you mentioned can support on a 2000cc injector.
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Julio@Bisimoto
Actually there has been testing and developing with Bisimoto high flow injectors to be capable of support all type of fuels including VP Q16 and other oxygenated fuels which none of the injector brands you mentioned can support on a 2000cc injector.
If they work as well as your headers do, your injectors probably turn off between 3000 and 5000 rpm.
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
If they work as well as your headers do, your injectors probably turn off between 3000 and 5000 rpm.
L.M.A.O.

Honest question, what makes "bisimoto injectors" so different from say ID2000s?
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 03:10 PM
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^^^ that's a good question... compare???
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 06:42 PM
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Ooo juilo, you crack me up sometimes giving me all this info from your site, what tests has bisimoto done? Who makes these injectors? Care to explain how a id2000 can't flow c16 when lots of race teams use them? Not just in hondas but other cars as well. Don't come in here giving false information and not being able to back it up.
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Old Jan 17, 2012 | 06:48 PM
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you should never sacrifice your personal credibility as a person for the sake of a job doing marketing
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 06:05 AM
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I tried running Q16 through ID2000's, and they basically swell closed after running for ~20 minutes.

I would say any "testing" of Q16 through an injector resulted in any favorable results... it would be fairly proven that they are functioning with Q16.
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ALL M0T0R
Honest question, what makes "bisimoto injectors" so different from say ID2000s?
I am only interested in the answer to ^^ question. I think most people know these companies are modifying Denso/boschs to flow specific cc's then labeling them their own. cant wait till another company just decides to do the same for $400 2200cc injectors this way the consumer wins as competition drives down market price.
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 08:13 AM
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I am not going to waste my time even saying anything about Bisimoto. Neither one of these companies make an injector. Like mentioned above they take a bosch injector and modify it to flow more and call it their injector. They are all bullshit. I would just buy the 2000cc bosch injectors from ID and sell the 1000cc injectors.

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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 08:19 AM
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Or try these. Come out to about 720+ shipping.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FIC-2000cc-H...item483c7305d8

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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Julio@Bisimoto
Have you check out Bisimoto new line of High Imped. custom injectors? We have done testing with our 2000cc on our turbo 2012 Civic Si K24 which made 1004whp on VP gas E85R and Bisimoto Wagovan 700+whp on pump gas with an AEM water/meth kit. Bisimoto Fuel Injectors
http://bisimoto.com/store/index.php?...roducts_id=610

is the picture in that link the actually injector that flows 2000cc?
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SR20S13
Ooo juilo, you crack me up sometimes giving me all this info from your site, what tests has bisimoto done? Who makes these injectors? Care to explain how a id2000 can't flow c16 when lots of race teams use them? Not just in hondas but other cars as well. Don't come in here giving false information and not being able to back it up.
Who wants to send me a set so I can have them dynamic flowed and see how well they do? Odds are, Bisimoto does not even do that.
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 03:04 PM
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Spawne32
If they work as well as your headers do, your injectors probably turn off between 3000 and 5000 rpm.
I loled. One thing I cannot stand is when a company comes into a conversation just to say use our **** because it is tested and proven to work 5 billion times better than everyone else. ID injectors are like the new standard of what is a top notch technically speaking off the shelf because they are already matched for you.
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 03:51 PM
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Why cheap out on the most important part of your vehicle? The fuel system...
This isn't a shift **** or headlight bulb your talking about...

Spend the money on quality, proven parts & never think twice.
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 06:26 PM
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Ams injectors! they actually use injector dynamics injectors they modify and make larger cc sizes available looking too get myself a set of 1600cc injectors from them now
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FlewByU352
I loled. One thing I cannot stand is when a company comes into a conversation just to say use our **** because it is tested and proven to work 5 billion times better than everyone else. ID injectors are like the new standard of what is a top notch technically speaking off the shelf because they are already matched for you.
Originally Posted by hondatech8798
Ams injectors! they actually use injector dynamics injectors they modify and make larger cc sizes available looking too get myself a set of 1600cc injectors from them now
Injector Dynamics does not make injectors. The injectors that EVERYONE is using are made by Bosch. These companies make them flow more some "match" then they put there label on them and call them thiers. THESE ARE BOSCH INJECTORS

Also Mods I call someone a scum bag and you delete it from my post? Whats with that? Because it was Bisi?

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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 09:26 PM
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Can someone please start a thread and invite all of these sellers to get their 1000cc & 2000cc & 2200cc injectors to be tested on a side by side, equal base pressure & voltage comparison? like the guy said ^^ these are all modified stock injectors

ID
FIC
FIVEO MOTORSPORTS
BISIMOTO
EFI WIZARD
AEM

And any other company selling injectors modeled after the Bosch EV14 style or similar. I think its about time to condense all this rumored information & get some facts identified and point out the Pros & Cons of each injector, and which application would be suited based on actual performance. Let the product speak for itself, and the company who performs the best, as well as the consumer, will both benefit from having accurate information.


Any takers vendors?

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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Fink29

Also Mods I call someone a scum bag and you delete it from my post? Whats with that? Because it was Bisi?
I personally thought what you said was a bit "harsh" on Bisi. But then again i don't know whats fully been going on between you guys and him/them and if it could be justified.
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Old Jan 18, 2012 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by rich7777
I personally thought what you said was a bit "harsh" on Bisi. But then again i don't know whats fully been going on between you guys and him/them and if it could be justified.
fink is the poster boy for bisimoto ripping people off, hundreds of dollars spent on a custom bisi header that was supposed to be stainless and ceramic coated, made less power then a ebay replica and is rusting right through. calling bisi a scumbag is being nice.
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