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Old Jan 12, 2012 | 08:38 PM
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My car is oversteering like crazy now after new suspension.

Before I had blue tokico with skunk2 springs.

Now I have skunk2 pro S II coilovers, blox camber front and rear, skunk2 lca's, and blackworks subframe. The only thing I didn't put back was the rear sway bar.

Could the sway bar make that big of a difference?
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 02:37 AM
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Why on earth did you put a subframe brace on the car without a swaybar? Also, I really hope that skunk2 has fixed the problems they've had with bad bushings in their LCAs. We've had a lot of users report them tearing in a few months (even on the new designs)

So you have two parts that are 100% centered around using a rear swaybar, and you don't have a rear swaybar. A total waste of $350+



You also should have left the front camber alone. That's probably one reason you've lost lateral traction up there. Camber kits are not necessary unless you want to add camber. And I'm assuming you didn't add camber, you removed it like the alignment tech probably told you to.

What are the spring rates? If it's really high in the front, and much lower in the rear the car is going to have an understeer bias. If the car is the opposite, it's oversteer. If the car is oversteering a lot, a rear swaybar will make that worse.

Your spring rates and alignment probably have more to do with your oversteer problem than your swaybars (or lack thereof)
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 07:41 AM
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Default Re: Oversteer after suspension upgrade?

Originally Posted by HuchNet
My car is oversteering like crazy now after new suspension.

Before I had blue tokico with skunk2 springs.

Now I have skunk2 pro S II coilovers, blox camber front and rear, skunk2 lca's, and blackworks subframe. The only thing I didn't put back was the rear sway bar.

Could the sway bar make that big of a difference?
Adding the swaybar should increase oversteer.

Why do you say you are getting crazy oversteer? Is the rear end really stepping out on you just driving around town normally? Did you have an alignment done after all of this suspension work was done? Does the car feel "twitchy" at highway speeds?

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Why on earth did you put a subframe brace on the car without a swaybar?
So you have two parts that are 100% centered around using a rear swaybar, and you don't have a rear swaybar. A total waste of $350+

You also should have left the front camber alone. That's probably one reason you've lost lateral traction up there. Camber kits are not necessary unless you want to add camber. And I'm assuming you didn't add camber, you removed it like the alignment tech probably told you to.

What are the spring rates? If it's really high in the front, and much lower in the rear the car is going to have an understeer bias. If the car is the opposite, it's oversteer. If the car is oversteering a lot, a rear swaybar will make that worse.

Your spring rates and alignment probably have more to do with your oversteer problem than your swaybars (or lack thereof)
He said he hasn't put it back on yet, so it sounds like he has it but just hasn't put it back on yet.

If he lost traction up front, he'd be understeering, not oversteering. Camber kits are necessary in cases such as fine tuning your alignment for performance. Always necessary? Not really.

Sounds like an alignment issue to me, specifically toe.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 07:49 AM
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Default Re: Oversteer after suspension upgrade?

Ah, that's what I get for reading too fast.

Getting too much oversteer without a rear swaybar is very unusual. Makes me wonder if we are confusing understeer with oversteer.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by civexspeedy
Adding the swaybar should increase oversteer.

Why do you say you are getting crazy oversteer? Is the rear end really stepping out on you just driving around town normally? Did you have an alignment done after all of this suspension work was done? Does the car feel "twitchy" at highway speeds?



He said he hasn't put it back on yet, so it sounds like he has it but just hasn't put it back on yet.

If he lost traction up front, he'd be understeering, not oversteering. Camber kits are necessary in cases such as fine tuning your alignment for performance. Always necessary? Not really.

Sounds like an alignment issue to me, specifically toe.
Yea, I got alignment right after everything was put on. I'll put the sway bar on tomorrow. Also after getting the alignment, my steering wheel is not even, meaning it leans towards the left to keep the car going straight. It wasn't like that prior to alignment.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by HuchNet
Yea, I got alignment right after everything was put on. I'll put the sway bar on tomorrow. Also after getting the alignment, my steering wheel is not even, meaning it leans towards the left to keep the car going straight. It wasn't like that prior to alignment.
The steering wheel should be straight when going straight.. Sounds like a bad alignment job which may be a result of this issue. Did they give you a print out of your before and after alignment?
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 08:20 AM
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Default Re: Oversteer after suspension upgrade?

Print out your next alignment. Before and after.

Your issue has nothing to do with the lack of a swaybar, either front or rear.

Possible your crappy parts are binding too.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 08:54 AM
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Default Re: Oversteer after suspension upgrade?

I have rode, and driven a few cars with those coilovers, with and without swaybars, and none of those setups were even close to having any oversteer. Are you positive that is what is happening? Cause it really shouldn't be anywhere near being loose.
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Old Jan 13, 2012 | 11:56 AM
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Default Re: Oversteer after suspension upgrade?

is this on a front wheel drive honda
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