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Old Dec 17, 2011 | 11:26 PM
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Default Quick Innovative LC-1 Wiring Help

99 Ek civic
obdII to obd1 conversion harness
obd1 ecu
Innovative lc1

How I have it hooked up is..

Red (12v power) to A25 - power wire (yellow /black stripe wire)
White (System ground) to A26 - ecu ground - (black /red stripe wire)
Brown (Analog output 2 - wideband) to D14 - o2 sensor wire

Wires not hooked up off of LC1...

Black (Calibration wire)
Blue (heater ground)
Yellow (Analog output 1 - narrowband) I no longer will utilize the stock O2

Also not hooked up..

Calibration push button
LED Calibration Light

Any help is appreciated thanks..
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 09:12 AM
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Any help please
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 10:39 AM
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You should ground to the engine not the ecu.
What engine management are you using?
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 01:11 PM
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Prob should hook up the heater wire
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 05:37 PM
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Innovate's instructions recommend soldering the system ground and the heater ground together, then connecting them to the same ground source to prevent "noise."

Then connect the LED into the black calibration wire and ground it. This is your indicator. You will have to directly ground the black wire (bypass the LED) to free-air calibrate the O2 sensor.
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jdmadam
You should ground to the engine not the ecu.
What engine management are you using?
I want to disagree here. The ECU will report O2 voltage (D14) by comparing to it's own ground source. Grounding the electronics to the ECU would provide a more precise ground offset so that the O2 hardware and ECU are using the same reference. I'm no electronics wizard so correct me if I'm wrong.
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Old Dec 18, 2011 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by josephcmiller2
I want to disagree here. The ECU will report O2 voltage (D14) by comparing to it's own ground source. Grounding the electronics to the ECU would provide a more precise ground offset so that the O2 hardware and ECU are using the same reference. I'm no electronics wizard so correct me if I'm wrong.


This is straight from the lc1 manual.
2.3 Electrical Grounding Concerns
The electrical environment inside a car provides unique challenges, combining high voltages and
currents, low-voltage signals, convoluted signal paths, and variable conditions (i.e., fans turning
on and off, or starter cranking).
When using precision electronics, it is important for ALL electronics to share a common ground.
Remember that “Ground” is more than just the return path for any circuit- it is also the reference
against which any voltage is measured.
Since it is not always practical to ground every device to the exact same location, here are some
tips on grounding:
1. The BEST grounding scheme is all grounds (i.e., ECU, Gauges, LC1 heater, LC1
system, etc.) SOLDERED into a single lug and bolted to the engine block.
2. The next best is all grounds attached to the same source, as close as possible, but on
separate lugs. This is because even the corrosion between lugs can create ground
offset and noise. Incidentally, this is why many ECUs have separate ground wires for
injectors vs. ECU system ground- separating high voltages and low voltages reduces
noise.
3. Grounding to the engine block is usually better than grounding to the frame.
4. Grounding a gauge to the radio is usually bad- ground offset can vary with volume.
5. Grounding to an ECU housing is generally not optimal- housings are strapped to the
frame for shielding, but not necessarily grounded.
6. One of the WORST things to do is to ground most of your electronics to one place (i.e.
the engine block), but ground one device somewhere else (i.e., the frame). Not only can
this result in ground offsets, it can also create a “path of least resistance” for high
currents THROUGH a low-current device. This can result in melted wires and vaporized
diodes, when, for example, starter currents flow through gauges.
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Old Dec 19, 2011 | 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jdmadam
This is straight from the lc1 manual.
The LC-1 has the capability to datalog directly to a computer, bypassing the ECU. The OP wants to use the ECU to report the LC-1 voltage, which has several advantages. If he was logging directly from the LC-1, I would agree with you. If he wants the ECU to report an accurate voltage, sharing a common ground (the ECU ground which ultimately will go to the engine block and all other grounds) on the ECU itself makes more sense.
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Old Dec 23, 2011 | 08:15 PM
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Okay I hooked it up but seem to have a very high afr which is odd because the new injectors (1000cc) seem to be flooding the engine. Its also possible that my o2 bung where the wideband if was not welded good and is letting in air. I welded everything up again as I just made the connecting piece to my full exhaust.
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 04:36 AM
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engine management used?
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Old Dec 24, 2011 | 07:13 AM
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do you know for sure the injectors are flooding the cylinders? Take it for a drive, see if they go normal, small leaks don't really matter at higher rpms, the wb should read it pretty good then.
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Old Dec 30, 2011 | 08:20 AM
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I'm glad I saw this post, you are running the same setup I have.
I wanted to make sure this would be all I need to setup wideband for a p28 with Crome soon to be neptune... http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/db.php
I want to have a permanganate wideband and a gauge in the car would this fill my needs?

Thanks
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Old Jan 3, 2012 | 06:08 AM
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Anyone else know?
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Old Jan 3, 2012 | 06:11 PM
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YES^^
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Old Jan 4, 2012 | 06:02 AM
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Default Re: Quick Innovative LC-1 Wiring Help

Originally Posted by jdmadam
YES^^
Thanks,
I'll be ordering in the next week or so..
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Old May 6, 2016 | 10:56 AM
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Default Re: Quick Innovative LC-1 Wiring Help

is the A26 ground better than A23 ground to connect the LC1 ground ?
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