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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 09:03 AM
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Default Front Facing Turbo Manifold on EG?

I like this manifold for Drag racing but don't know if I need to buy one specially for EG Hatch or all Civic are the same long as there is a B series engine?
Do I need to change my Front Bumper or have to cut it?

For Drag Racing is this Manifold really good? Isn't too many length of tube before the Turbo?
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 09:38 AM
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A picture would be great of the mani. The only clearance issues I have faced is the hood, A/C and the bumper support areas. Just be sure to check clearance for where the turbo will sit in relation to those items mentioned. Also when doing measurements make sure if the turbo is clocked that it still fits, that is if you need to clock it.
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 09:55 AM
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Like this AFI Manifold
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 12:03 PM
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Default Re: Front Facing Turbo Manifold on EG?

That will be an issue. Why are you looking to use that mani?
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Old Nov 29, 2011 | 10:31 PM
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Only For Drag Racing, I like the way to put the Turbo like this in the Bumper.
Why will it be an issue? for the Front bumper?
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 09:34 AM
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Default Re: Front Facing Turbo Manifold on EG?

Originally Posted by Steeve_Civic
Only For Drag Racing, I like the way to put the Turbo like this in the Bumper.
Why will it be an issue? for the Front bumper?
Depending on where the inlet is run or how you run it, you might lose the headlight or, yes you will have to cut a hole in your bumper. Are you looking to have an 8sec car, or just drag it and run 13's?
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 10:42 AM
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You have to also run a custom intercooler in order to that front facing turbo. Its mainly used for those with one piece front ends (dedicated track only) and those that want that "special look". but really it won't make anymore power
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 11:28 AM
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Ok.
My goal is 10sec car.
Yes I like very Much the "Special look"!
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 03:16 PM
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Call up afi. They can tell you what chassis they fit in.

But I have a friend with an ef 4dr with the ago foward facing manifold and 35r and it fit very nice with the stock bumper. Also have a friend with an ek hatch with the same manifold and and and BW366xl. It fits with just modification to the radiator support on both cars.

Also the ek has one of afi's intercoolers made for this manifold. So call them up!
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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Well, there you have it
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 07:15 PM
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Default Re: Front Facing Turbo Manifold on EG?

Originally Posted by TheShodan
You have to also run a custom intercooler in order to that front facing turbo. Its mainly used for those with one piece front ends (dedicated track only) and those that want that "special look". but really it won't make anymore power

Don't quote me on this but don't you need to **** the radiator as well? Or well move it?
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Old Nov 30, 2011 | 10:24 PM
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Thank you Shodan
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One of my customer's cars:



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This is centered off an AFI Forward-Facing Manifold, T4 35R, (2) MVS. Everything bolts up in the normal locations, no need to move radiator, etc...but a traditional off-shelf intercooler will not work. You're best off either contacting AFI, or purchasing a core and having endtanks fabricated.

You will need to trim the radiator support quite a bit, specifically near the frame rail..and the only traction bar I was able to get fit, in terms of a decent amount of clearance for the downpipe and dumptubes was from Tom @ NRG Tech.

My customer does drive this on the street, and we were able to fit a bumper as well. Practical? I'm honestly not sure...but it is pretty neat

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Default Re: Front Facing Turbo Manifold on EG?

Cool lookin' Joel. But I had to also remind Steeve_Civic that if he doesn't do a custom Intercooler, he'll need to get one as a kit through AFI.
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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 09:12 PM
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Heres a good friends car i did. Its actually a daily driver, he drives about 100 miles a day ( HKS mushroom filter instead of Stack). All fits behind stock bumper and intercooler is even centered

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Old Dec 1, 2011 | 09:51 PM
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any pictures of the finished setup? i'm interested in seeing how the turbo connects to the IC
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Default Re: Front Facing Turbo Manifold on EG?

Originally Posted by doug118
any pictures of the finished setup? i'm interested in seeing how the turbo connects to the IC
Don't have any off hand. The Setup was finished in this picture. Just didn't have the lower cold side IC pipe on. You can see the coupler on the hot side of the FMIC. It connects to a standard cast 90 that is on the turbo.

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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 02:04 AM
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The front mounted turbo setups are streetable, but due to their low mounted turbo position, it will increase the tendency for the turbo to burn oil and smoke.

I never had any oil smoking problem until I went with a front mounted turbo setup on the same turbo (same GT40R I had for several years). On the streets, it was totally fine, as well as during drag racing at the strip. But the moment I take the car onto the roadcourse with braking/cornering G's, or even a spirited drive and nailing some hard corners/braking/etc.. the turbo would puff smoke under G forces besides going in a straight line.

My setup already has the turbo mounted as high as possible as well (similar to what Evo1 posted).

Cool setup nonetheless, but it's really reserved for strictly straightline racing. Besides that, I do enjoy the power difference especially on the highway at 100+ mph. This was my first ever setup that I would actually hit the boost cut after I've tuned the car on the dyno under heavy load. This setup would achieve 3-4+ PSI on top of what I had dialed in on the dyno. My old ramhorn, topmount, etc.. could never do that. Having the turbo in the frontal area of the car does definitely help with performance at the top end.

It's also quite a bummer that I cannot roll into my local car wash. The car would stall out and never again, I would take the chance of hydrolocking my motor. I'd hate to be inside a car wash to remove a silicon coupler and dump out any water that has entered the turbo...lol


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Nice setup Tony! It looks like you where able to use an off the shelf intercooler also. Cimburke23 is a good friend of mine here and he did the same thing but used a precision intercooler. How much of a difference did you notice in spool time going from the ram horn, top mount, and front mount?

Also to the OP. If all you want is a 10 second car and drive it around a whole lot then all you would ever need is a top mount. Hell you can easily do that with a ram horn and still run a filter on the turbo. It's your car and in the end it matters if you are happy with it.

P.S. It does look bad *** with the turbo inlet sticking out the front
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Old Dec 2, 2011 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by a1320addict
One of my customer's cars:







This is centered off an AFI Forward-Facing Manifold, T4 35R, (2) MVS. Everything bolts up in the normal locations, no need to move radiator, etc...but a traditional off-shelf intercooler will not work. You're best off either contacting AFI, or purchasing a core and having endtanks fabricated.

You will need to trim the radiator support quite a bit, specifically near the frame rail..and the only traction bar I was able to get fit, in terms of a decent amount of clearance for the downpipe and dumptubes was from Tom @ NRG Tech.

My customer does drive this on the street, and we were able to fit a bumper as well. Practical? I'm honestly not sure...but it is pretty neat
Great! Do you have pictures with the Front Bumper?
You bought the AFI manifold like this?

Where do you buy your "aluminium Intake"?
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Originally Posted by Evo1
Heres a good friends car i did. Its actually a daily driver, he drives about 100 miles a day ( HKS mushroom filter instead of Stack). All fits behind stock bumper and intercooler is even centered


nice intake manifold
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Originally Posted by Steeve_Civic
Great! Do you have pictures with the Front Bumper?
You bought the AFI manifold like this?

Where do you buy your "aluminium Intake"?
I'll have to check.

Yes, we were supplied the manifold from AFI.

Could you clarify your last question? Little confused.
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Originally Posted by Tony the Tiger
The front mounted turbo setups are streetable, but due to their low mounted turbo position, it will increase the tendency for the turbo to burn oil and smoke.

I never had any oil smoking problem until I went with a front mounted turbo setup on the same turbo (same GT40R I had for several years). On the streets, it was totally fine, as well as during drag racing at the strip. But the moment I take the car onto the roadcourse with braking/cornering G's, or even a spirited drive and nailing some hard corners/braking/etc.. the turbo would puff smoke under G forces besides going in a straight line.

My setup already has the turbo mounted as high as possible as well (similar to what Evo1 posted).

Cool setup nonetheless, but it's really reserved for strictly straightline racing.
Besides that, I do enjoy the power difference especially on the highway at 100+ mph. This was my first ever setup that I would actually hit the boost cut after I've tuned the car on the dyno under heavy load. This setup would achieve 3-4+ PSI on top of what I had dialed in on the dyno. My old ramhorn, topmount, etc.. could never do that. Having the turbo in the frontal area of the car does definitely help with performance at the top end.

It's also quite a bummer that I cannot roll into my local car wash.
The car would stall out and never again, I would take the chance of hydrolocking my motor. I'd hate to be inside a car wash to remove a silicon coupler and dump out any water that has entered the turbo...lol

Reasons to me why its not the most practical, no matter how cool it looks. But if you're in a straight line race, its awesome, if you can get it to fit.

Did you use any type of oil sump for this setup?
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Originally Posted by a1320addict
I'll have to check.

Yes, we were supplied the manifold from AFI.

Could you clarify your last question? Little confused.
He's referring to the AFI Intake manifold. For the B-series turbo.

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The one Joel posted was an edelbrock. The one Jesse posted was our old Afi intake.
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