Confirm Hypothesis - Evidence Indicates I Need A New Alternator!

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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 12:17 PM
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90 CRX HF, stock.
172k
Original parts mostly throughout, maintenance up to date.

Within the last month, I have seen the 'battery' light flicker (sometimes in 5th cruising on the highway), sometimes coasting in neutral. It's just been flickering, long enough to see what it was then back out. Also noticed some surging with the headlight and cluster brightness.

Fast Forward 3 weeks. Today that was happening a bit, then I noticed if increased the electrical load (headlights, rear defroster, etc) I would lose the radio, and the tach would go to zero.

I also could not get the wipers to move at high speed, and the blower fan for the climate control, on 'full', was barely a '2' (out of 4).

I believe my alternator is not putting out enough voltage to drive everything. I did pop the hood and noticed a little water (probably from opening the hood, it's raining) on the positive terminal.

Without having a volt-meter, I believe the alternator is failing/has failed. Could there be something else I could test or try before buying one and installing it? I will search for DIY.

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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 12:28 PM
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its either battery or alternator. is it having a hard time starting? i'd take your car to your local parts store and have them hook up their machine to test your charging system
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 12:30 PM
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^Agreed. They can test both your alternator and your battery.
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 12:35 PM
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Never a hard time starting. Seems to be holding a charge just fine (it's not too hard to start a CRX anyway ). and it is probably marginally charging anyway, as I only get/got that flicker periodically (which indicates a charging problem, I believe).

I thought I had to bring the alternator and battery INTO the store to diagnose them (some sort of hooded machine they have)?
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 12:46 PM
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They can do a different kind of testing while it's in the car.
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 03:45 PM
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If you are not having starting issues, than Im not sure that the alternator is going to be the issue....but its too easy to test to not be the starting point.

Even though "it doesn't take much to start a CRX", it doesn't take long at all to drain a battery to death with a bad alternator either.

As suggested, get to an Auto Parts store and have it checked. I know most can check them on the car, or you can pull it and pretty much anywhere can bench test it.
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 03:57 PM
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If it starts up everytime without problems then this sounds more like a connection problem than an alternator problem. If your alt stops charging and your battery drains enough to where you are seeing the symptoms like tach going out and blower not blowing, Then the battery is almost discharged and it would either spin over really slowly when you cranked it or it wouldn't start.
I would check all the connections at the battery, alternator, and grounds and make sure nothings loose. Also make sure your belt is in good shape and tight.
If all that checks out put an alternator on it.
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Old Nov 22, 2011 | 04:10 PM
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same thing happened to my old car, and it was indeed the alternator....so you can try to replace it then see what happens
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 04:11 AM
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I usually start the car then dissconnect the battery, if it dies it has a bad alternator.
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rd91sib18c5r
I usually start the car then dissconnect the battery, if it dies it has a bad alternator.
Not a good habit on alternator equipped vehicles... doing that can fry the regulator instantly. On a generator equipped vehicle - do it all you like!
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 05:20 AM
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Check/clean all your grounds, battery terminals, etc. Get a multimeter and check battery voltage & alternator output at idle and at 2000 rpm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzz7P3qNHcE

Then connect long *** wires to your car's battery, and run those wires into the vehicle, to your multimeter. Rest the meter on the passenger seat and go for a drive. You will be able to test voltage at any given time so you can see exactly what it's doing when it is having the problem.
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 05:34 AM
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I have a friend who works at an MB Dealership who is going to test it for me. Picked up a spare alternator just in case it is bad he can swap it too. I am also going to get myself a multimeter for X-mas, as this should be something I can test myself and there have been a few times where I wanted to know voltages...
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 06:31 AM
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what is battery voltage when the engine is off, what is battery voltage at idle and what is battery voltage at 3500+ rpm. you can find all those in about 2 minutes with a multimeter and know right away if your alternator is kicking out enough or not...
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by v4lu3s
what is battery voltage when the engine is off, what is battery voltage at idle and what is battery voltage at 3500+ rpm. you can find all those in about 2 minutes with a multimeter and know right away if your alternator is kicking out enough or not...
I plan on stopping by Harbor Freight (the land of dangerously inexpensive tools (in terms of OPERATOR SAFETY, I mean) ) to pick up a cheap multimeter.
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Old Nov 23, 2011 | 04:27 PM
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Harbor freight will be fine. A 5$ multimeter is all you need for this basic voltage testing.
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Old Nov 24, 2011 | 08:35 PM
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i have the same problem. it's the alternator. the car died on me last nite in the middle of an intersection. the batteries are usually find in my case.. getting mine fixed tomorrow.
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Old Nov 24, 2011 | 10:23 PM
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i had this happen with my hatch not too long ago.

check and re clean alll your grounds.
make sure your battery is at a FULL 100% CHARGE.
make sure your starter, battery and alternator PASS every test.

make sure u have the trans to chassis, vc to core support, and neg cable to chassis grounds and also check your thermostat ground for your ECU
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 11:53 AM
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The G~D~ multimeter was DOA... I should have tested it before I left the store. It literally was a $6.99 multimeter with a 20% coupon brought it to <$6.... pos of course, but not even one use??

Will diagnose it tomorrow with a real tech... will post results for closure.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 05:07 PM
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The brushes are worn on your alternator. They are no longer making good contact so the alternator is only intermittently keeping up with demands.
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Old Nov 25, 2011 | 05:44 PM
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Same **** happend to me turned out my ground from the tranny to chassis was bad on the chassis tightened it up and hasn't been a problem since
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Old Nov 26, 2011 | 01:44 PM
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Old alternator was a bear to remove apparently. It smells of PB blaster and I heard 'air hammer' mentioned when discussing it! Could be the original, or at least a long term resident.

Old Alternator max output was 23Amps... New one is 60Amp (tested to 65amp without full revving). Nice.

Alternator! /end thread.

I appreciate all the input.
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Old Nov 26, 2011 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by rd91sib18c5r
I usually start the car then dissconnect the battery, if it dies it has a bad alternator.
This is how they use to test them. HORRIBLE way though. If your alternator wasn't bad before then it is now if you do this.
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Old Nov 26, 2011 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Nooch
This is how they use to test them. HORRIBLE way though. If your alternator wasn't bad before then it is now if you do this.
I also heard this was a bad idea and should be avoided!
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Old Nov 26, 2011 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by N3va3vaSatisfi3d
Not a good habit on alternator equipped vehicles... doing that can fry the regulator instantly. On a generator equipped vehicle - do it all you like!
I said this already earlier in the thread...
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