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Old Oct 20, 2011 | 10:02 PM
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Okay so here is the dilemma i am in.

Currently my set up is
- Eibach Sportlines springs
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Tokico Illuminas 5-way adjustable struts/shocks.


I still have quite a bit of wheel gap as you can see in the picture here.




My question is should I keep the current set up that i am using and just getting shorter springs? (this way i would be able to keep my adjustable dampening but i would have no adjustable height)The other option would be buying either a set of progress 2 coilovers or a set of function and form type 1 coil overs ( adjustable height, but no dampening)


I am going for PERFECT wheel fitment (staying away from neg camber, just flush with the fenders after rolling.)


let me know what you would do honda tech! thanks!!!
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 07:14 AM
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Coilovers. Don't see how you can get perfect fitment with just springs.
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 07:15 AM
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^ I agree, springs will never give you exactly what you want.
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 10:53 AM
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Just get ground control coilovers.
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 10:07 PM
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I also vote for gc, best of both worlds and half the cash.

I guess I outgrew the slamming your car thing but I think your car looks good at that height.
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Old Oct 21, 2011 | 11:01 PM
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Ground controls.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 12:35 PM
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alright well koni ground control coil overs it is!

If anybody knows of a reputable dealer here on honda tech that has them for a 1990 integra DA let me know, but ill look around the sit as well.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 01:12 PM
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Thmotorsports.

Make you don't get OTS rates if you plan to go low.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 03:09 PM
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Thmotorsports.

Make you don't get OTS rates if you plan to go low.
Sorry, but what are the OTS rates? Thanks. I am still learning all the jargon.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bunga28
Sorry, but what are the OTS rates? Thanks. I am still learning all the jargon.
OTS = off the shelf.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 06:04 PM
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If he plans on slamming it I wouldn't even get konis. They will just get ruined and won't be covered.
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Turpid Porpoise
If he plans on slamming it I wouldn't even get konis. They will just get ruined and won't be covered.
I'm not looking for the SLAMMED look I'm just trying to get my wheels to fit perfect.
As you can see in the picture I need around another 1.5-2" drop to get the wheels flush
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Old Oct 22, 2011 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Turpid Porpoise
If he plans on slamming it I wouldn't even get konis. They will just get ruined and won't be covered.
Are you sure?
If this is true, then why do I see a million smalled cars in the slammed thread running Koni/gc?
And why is Koni/gc the setup that usally gets reccomend for slammed cars?

Koni/gc is a good setup to go low on. They wont just blow, and last I checked the ride height has noithing to do with the waranty offered.

If you want to post bull **** information, do it some where else.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 12:27 AM
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Are you sure?
If this is true, then why do I see a million smalled cars in the slammed thread running Koni/gc?
And why is Koni/gc the setup that usally gets reccomend for slammed cars?

Koni/gc is a good setup to go low on. They wont just blow, and last I checked the ride height has noithing to do with the waranty offered.

If you want to post bull **** information, do it some where else.
thanks for the info man, i will be emailing koni themselves to look into this subject, i will be posting what they say when they reply.
anybody have any other options for my situation? or should i just grab the ground controls from koni and set my own height?

thanks!
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 11:32 AM
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I wouldn't bother changing the shocks, illuminas are just as capable as Koni's if not more-so depending on application.

I would just pick your desired rates (provided they are suitable for your intended height) and have them for a tokico application.

Ground Control is made by by eibach, not koni.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 98civdx
Are you sure?
If this is true, then why do I see a million slammed cars in the slammed thread running Koni/gc?
And why is Koni/gc the setup that usually gets recommended for slammed cars?

Koni/gc is a good setup to go low on. They wont just blow, and last I checked the ride height has nothing to do with the waranty offered.

If you want to post bull **** information, do it some where else.
Take the stick outta your *** there buddy. If the last time you checked was when the warranty had nothing to do with ride height then you might want to check again. There is a recommended lowering height for Koni struts/shocks and I have personally been denied a warranty claim because I told them what my setup was and they claimed I was beyond the spec of the Konis(SRT4 Neon on which I was running Koni/GC).

I didn't say koni/gc is not a good setup to go low on. I might have made my statement to broad by saying "they will blow" but I do not retract what I meant to say which was "if you slam your car on Koni/GC you have a much more likely to blow the Konis."

PS: Fixed your spelling for you bud, next time you get so upset over another person's opinion on a public forum to blast them, you might take the time to make sure you don't make yourself look like a dumbass.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 12:09 PM
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Just something to chew on:

Taken directly from the koni sport shock description on THMotorsports
Product Description

The Koni Sport product line is one of our specialities. Koni serves Sporting Drivers with a carefully designed range of sport shock absorbers. This product focuses on exceptional road holding and handling, combined with a reasonable level of driving comfort. They can also be used with spring kits to lower a vehicle up to 35mm.
Many of the Koni Sport dampers are externally adjustable by means of an adjustment **** at the top of the damper. This means you do not have to remove the damper from the vehicle to adjust the rebound forces. This enables you to fine tune the handling & ride to suit your driving style.
Dampers without the top adjustable feature can still be adjusted, although they will need to be removed from the vehicle to achieve this. You may wish to use lowered springs with the Koni Sport range, if you do this please be aware the maximum lowering permitted is 35mm. Please also ensure that any bump stops are re-fitted to ensure no damage occurs to the valving should the damper bottom out.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 12:31 PM
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35mm? That's a little under an inch and a half!
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 12:50 PM
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The people at Koni aren't dumb they know about all these silly "slammed" and "hellaflush" MFers runnin around with no bumpstops because their car needs to be even lower.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 02:03 PM
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I guess it gives them the option to easily not have honor the warranty.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 10:23 PM
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i wouldn't consider what I'm doing to the car to be slamming it, but others may think different.

i think the drop i am looking for is a 2.5 - 3'' drop from stock height, so the wheels fit a lot nicer IMO.


I have seen a ton of cars around here that are just SLAMMED so low it looks like a 5'' drop.


What about these? would anybody recommend this kit? http://www.ground-control-store.com/...tion.php/II=13

That way i can still keep the illuminas??
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 10:45 PM
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I am at about 2.5". slammed no.

Those will work.
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Old Oct 23, 2011 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Turpid Porpoise
The people at Koni aren't dumb they know about all these silly "slammed" and "hellaflush" MFers runnin around with no bumpstops because their car needs to be even lower.
If konis aren't a good option, then what would you recommend for a slammed set-up?
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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MindBomber
If konis aren't a good option, then what would you recommend for a slammed set-up?
Once again, I never said I didn't think Konis were not a good option. All I said is that slamming your car on Konis puts you at a much greater risk to blow the shocks you paid good money for.

If I had to pick I would say tokicos. They seem to have a fairly good tolerance for slamming.
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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Turpid Porpoise
The people at Koni aren't dumb they know about all these silly "slammed" and "hellaflush" MFers runnin around with no bumpstops because their car needs to be even lower.
I have no idea where you have been in the last 15yrs in the Honda community, but Koni has honored pretty much all cases slammed or not.
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