Wassup yo.

Can I use a 96 starter in my 99 EK?

Peace

 

Wassup yo? Your last thread had more detail. Go to hondaautomotiveparts and check the part numbers.

 

Haha! Yeah, but I got a bunch of views and no replies.

I figured I would simplify the question a little and see what happened. So far, it seems I've already got more action this time. And I thank you for that!!

Do you think I should put that detail back in? Was it helping?

 

Details are part of the rules in this forum. Or you get your thread locked.

 

I've got a 99 Hatch 5-Speed and the starter is dead.

Rockauto and hondapartsunlimited say that the 98-00 manual trans starter is different than previous years. No problem, I can deal with that.

The problem is that even though trustworthy sources say 98-00 is different, there are people on ebay and in the HT marketplace that are selling starters that are listed as being applicable for "96-00" (as though the same starter will work on all the years). Could be a small change like some wiring harness bracket, or a big change like they physically just won't fit.

So what's the deal?

Can I use a 96 MT starter on my 99 MT car, or are those people on ebay and in the marketplace wrong?

 

I've used a 98 starter on a '00 trans and it works so don't see why a 96 would not work since 96-98 are identical

 

96-98 whats are identical?

96-98 starters are identical? Not according to Honda they're not. They say 96-97 used one starter and 98-00 used another.
96-98 starter mounting holes on the transmissions are identical? That's great, but just because the two bolt holes line up, doesn't mean you can wire it without hacking stuff.

Of course, I don't have all the answers, or I wouldn't be asking for info in the first place, but here's how it appears to me:

Yes, you can bolt any D-series manual trans onto any D-series block regardless of year, and yes, that should mean that you can bolt any D-series manual starter to any D-series manual transmission regardless of year.

But just because you can bolt any starter on doesn't mean it has the proper terminals on it in the proper locations, right?

 

should be all the same.

Id think it they are the same trim...it will definitely. 96 dx to 99 dx....

 

all d-series starters are thesame im using one from a D15B on my y7

 

Yeah you sure don't have even some of the answers besides all, casting pearls before swine

 

Heh. I don't even know what that means, but it sure doesn't add anything important.

Listen... I'm not asking if they are different. I already know they are different! Here... Go look it up yourself. Do it now... I'll wait.

31200-P2A-014 STARTER MOTOR ASSY. (SM-44210-1K) (MITSUBA)
- Used on 98, 99, 00 - 2, 3, 4 doors CX, DX, EX, HX, LX

31200-P2C-004 STARTER MOTOR ASSY. (SM-422-09) (MITSUBA)
- Used on 96 and 97 - 2, 3, 4 doors CX, DX, EX, LX

You with me now? I already know they are different.

Want more detail? Here's some pics of a 98-00 MT starter:




And here's some pics of a 96-97 MT starter:




OMG! They are..... different!!!

What I want to know is if those differences are so minor, that despite fact that they are different (which they are), they are still interchangeable.

Why is this so hard?

 

Did you go and check the part numbers?

 

Pretty sure 88-00 Civic starters are interchangeable (5speed to 5speed, auto to auto). There is no wiring differences, they both use a male spade connector and a ring terminal. Differing part numbers aren't always an indicator that parts won't interchange. I've used a 95 D15B7 starter on an 89 CRX Si. Also used EG and EK starters interchangeably before as well.

 

Dude its all thesame **** ok stop bitching the 96-00 used thesame Motor and trannies D16y7 and y8 the starter is on the tranny which is thesame im using a D15B starter on my Y7 Tranny just because the #'s are diffrent doesnt mean they dont fit......


yeah this guy speaks the truth

 

Yes. I just posted them above. That's what these are:

31200-P2A-014 STARTER MOTOR ASSY. (SM-44210-1K) (MITSUBA)
- Used on 98, 99, 00 - 2, 3, 4 doors CX, DX, EX, HX, LX

31200-P2C-004 STARTER MOTOR ASSY. (SM-422-09) (MITSUBA)
- Used on 96 and 97 - 2, 3, 4 doors CX, DX, EX, LX

Thanks HondaPartsHero, That's the kind of info I'm looking for. So the ring and spade terminals are the same size and there's enough slack in the wiring harness to attach to moved connection points? It looked like it to me, but I came here hoping to find confirmation before I bought an earlier year and couldn't get it to connect.

Ummm... No *****. If I thought it was all just about the part numbers, I wouldn't have asked the question in the first place, would I? I would have seen that the numbers are different and gone running to the dealer with my tail between my legs insisting on an exact replacement right down to the P/N. But I didn't.

What I did do is:

researched the part numbers and found they are different
searched here for threads that talked about interchangeability between years
went to a junkyard and saw with my own two eyes that they connect differently
started this post to figure out if those differences prevented interchangeability or not
found pictures showing terminal differences for the people who say "Duh, they are all identical" when they clearly are not.

And that brings us to now.

I'm clearly not afraid of alternate solutions, and I clearly understand that just because the part numbers are different doesn't mean it won't work. That's why I'm here in the first place.

 

just go get a damn starter for a 88-00 Civic and put it on Manual or auto are diffrent get a starter and stop bitching this thread has gone on for way too long

 

I went back to the yard today only to find that they don't have any manual transmission Civics. Well, at least with the drivetrain still intact... There were several autos, but no manuals.

So what's the difference between the manual and auto starters?

Edit - From this post https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-civic-del-sol-1992-2000-1/92-95-civic-automatic-manual-transmission-conversion-parts-helpful-notes-2943969/

Is that correct? The bolt holes don't line up?

 

like i said in my post above manual starters are diffrent from auto starters!

 

im using a z6 starter on a y8 transmission i would have to vote that all d series manual starters are interchangeable. part numbers may be different but they can fit.

 

Well thanks for that, but that's not what I asked.

Man... You are like the champion of not answering the question that was asked, aren't you?

You: "Mom, See ya. I'm leaving for school."
Your Mom: "Did you remember to put your lunch in your bookbag?"
You: "Don't worry about it, I got my shoes on already."
Your Mom: "Awww... That's so cute. Did you forget to take your ADD meds again?"

Those are the questions I'm looking to have answered. And yes, you can skip "Is that correct?" because it's rhetorical (go look it up).

Note that I did NOT ask IF they were different. I'm assuming that since everybody in the freakin' world says they won't interchange, from Honda, to all the parts sources, to ebay, to the HTM, to everyone on HTech, then I'm OK with the assumption that they are in fact so different that they won't interchange.

I'm asking WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
IS THE DIFFERENCE THAT THE BOLT HOLES DON'T LINE UP?

I already got the part that they are different. Now I want to see how much you really know, and tell me the additional detail that I haven't already gotten from ten million other sources.

 

this topic has gone on for way too long it has been answered for like the 12th billinonth time the teeth on the auto starter are diffrent than the manual starter seriously idk what the problem is

 

Errrrrrnnnttt. Strike one!

That's not it. The teeth on the auto starter are exactly the same as the teeth on the manual starter.

In fact, if you look up the parts breakdown and check the part number for the gear:
[/] 31204-P2A-004 GEAR ASSY. (N/A FOR USA: SEE ASSEMBLY)[/b] which is item number 3 in this diagram:


You'll find that same gear assy is used on all the starters manual, auto, and even past 2000 they were still using the same one.

That's not it. Want to guess some more? If you really don't know, "I don't know" is a completely acceptable answer. I'm sure there are people here who really do. If you're not one of them there's no shame in that. It's OK, really.

So don't bust on me for asking questions that have been asked for the 12th billinonth time, and then come in here with an answer that is flat out wrong. Look, I understand... I hate it too when people ask the same "already been answered 12 billion times" question without searching and doing thier homework first. I'm not doing that. And

 

i was going off of what ive been told when i replaced my starter if you have the answers to your questions why are you still bitching

 

Like I said a while ago, I have some of the answers, but not all of them.

I've looked at the parts breakdowns between auto and manual and I've tried to figure out where they are the same and where they are different. Problem is these things are old enough now that Honda doesn't have part numbers listed for all the parts anymore.

I can tell you that the drive gear assemblies and the brush assemblies are identical between auto and manual.

I can also tell you that the armatures and solenoid switches are different between auto and manual.

Biggest problem is that I can't tell anything about the aluminum housings because they don't list the part numbers anymore. So I can't tell if they would actually mechanically fit or not. That's what made the bolt hole mention in that other post so interesting.

I also can't tell you WHY the armatures and solenoid switches are different. My theory would be that the auto starter needs to be more powerful than the manual because it has to be able to spin a very cold torque converter in the middle of winter while the manual starter doesn't have to spin any trans at all because you have the clutch pushed in when you start the car.

And why do I care? Because the problem with my starter is the solenoid portion is dead and I'm thinking that even though my yards don't have any manual starters (and even though the auto used a different solenoid than the manual), maybe I could swap a working auto solenoid for my dead manual solenoid. If the auto is designed for more current than that should work, but you couldn't go the other way (manual to auto).

Like I said, I'm doing as much homework as I can, but there are just some things that I can't seem to answer without help.

 

this thread would have gone a lot better with way less attitude.

if someone posts something that doesn't make sense or seems incorrect, just correct it or debate it in a civil manner so it doesn't end up in this back and forth.

because of that, this thread is a terrible resource if someone does want to come back and find out the ultimate info that the OP is actually looking for...

come on guys.