I was just wondering as to why I here people say that an h2.2 a4 is not worth upgrading like a b 1.8.... What makes the h.2.2 not so great in the Honda world ? Honest question thanks guys

 

Lack of aftermarket support is the only explanation if you ask me. The civic/tegs chassis has alot of support.

 

because people are dumb. the H22 is far superior to the b18 in most cases. The only exception being the B18C from the integra type R. Even then you can out-build a b18 with an H, because in the end "theres no replacement for displacement."

 

In stock form motor vs motor the b18 has some slight advantages one being the steel sleeves. H22's wernt as avalible as a b18 was back 10 years ago so more people stuck with b18 (at least here in CO). In the light platform such and a civic or crx the Bseries is an easier swap and more direct of a swap. Plus you can pick up an LS motor around me for 2 to 300 bucks. I just wish they would of givin us the steel sleeves as well and something that didnt burn oil all the time. Dont get me wrong I love My h22 but there are a few high points to the Bseries.

 

The H22 is a much better motor, it comes down to the availability and support.

You need to understand, there is more civics/integras vs H22 power Preludes.

Its not that the B18 is better, its that it is easy to get because there is so many and so many aftermarket parts for them.

Its really a lot of hype, stock for stock the H22 will dominate.

If you put an H22 in a lighter chassis vs the same chassis with an B18, the B18 will not out do the H22.

Another point is because many tuners want reliability as well as power, and since the H22 came with FRM sleeves which happen to come in the B21a1 90-91 Prelude chassis which was the test bed for that type of sleeve, it was new technology that while harder than steel was too rough on poorly designed ring lands.

Like what was stated above, there really is no replacement for discplacement. And also power to weight ratio.

Bottom line, its not better than an H22. Just go more parts made because it was easy and readily available.

 

Easy.......People are dumb.
They started coming around in the last few years though.......The smarts ones at least.
People respect the 1.8? I own one and I don't........LOL Nothing like waiting till 6500rpm for TQ.....And its not like my GSR is much lighter than a Prelude.

 

ITs just that there are more H22's in the market now a days is why they are starting to be seen more. Only part that made them really hard was that you had to buy mounts, put in custom shifter custom axles and so on..

I can swap a B18 into a civic in like 4 hours and have it running .... H22 is alittle harder but not much nut have to wait on parts.

 

well thanks guys I read a lot of good points I own a h 2.2 and I've driven b1.8 before and I'll take my h2.2 any day I was just wondering why people make so much hype about the b1.8 but I see why now

 

i herd there bootem ends cant hold as much of a beaten

 

Along with the H22, the 4th gen prelude chasis is also great! People are always telling me "oh your Prelude is so heavy, must handle like sh%t." Jun has proved that statement wrong along with MANY others. It's not that much heavier than the DC.

 

You herd wrong.

 

h22 is a great motor in the hands of someone who will actually take care of it.

 

I would like to see documented proof of said statement above ^^^^

My friends boosted H22 takes 610whp to the wheels and he beats the **** out of it, and has not blown that motor?? He has had this engine for over 3 years.

I can say the same about about a B16/18.

What you just stated is rumor. Makes me laugh to see statements like this. LoL!!!!!!

 

So has mister 9.4 seconds in the quarter

Oh and this thread is *** retarded

 

H22 FTW

 

*** retarded?? Come on guy..its a discussion..so the *** RETARDED one would be you for even posting that craP. Ease up.

 

Right poppie.

This is a tech forum. If you have questions about the mechanical working of an engine or prelude in general you can post. If you want to have a discussion go to the general discussion part of the board.

There are many more civics out there with the B and D series motor out there, and most parts are more interchangeable through out the motors designs through out the years.

Civic Engines have been around since the 70's and are still in production today. Preludes haven't been made in 10 years. If I was a manufacture I would be designing parts for cars that are still being made vs cars that haven't seen a production line in a decade.

Putting a B series in a civic vs a H series in a civic is night and day. Anyone who can read dyno graphs can tell you that. Shoot dropping a H22 in a civic gives you 13's at the track, and its 14s in a prelude. The only b series engines in a prelude are the third gens, IDK about 1 and 2nd gens. But those motors arent as strong as the mighty H.

Also you are in a prelude forum so the major opinion here will always be on h series side. Go as civic guys and they will probably stand behind their b series. Which is why this debate, or descuision belongs in the general discussion section, not here.

 

theres always one in every forum!! smdh.

 

Acid just so you are enlightened - The B series motor you are referring to in the 3rd gens has no relation to the civic/integra B series motors, so really that B20a5/B21a1 motors are not B series motors.
They are in no way interchangable and do not share any parts.

The cast of the motor is even completely different. I only want to clear this up so that those new to the game do not get it all twisted.

Here is a picture of a 88-91 Prelude B20a5/B21a1 motor:

 

Idk I knew it as the "bastard b" but I was just posting so thanks for the input.

 

There are a number of reasons why the H22 has lagged behind the B series worldwide....simply a numbers game

The B16 has been available since 1988 and with a 1.7 R/S ratio and amazing headflow for a 1.6L head it made for quite a following....put into CRXs around the world it became a global motor and brought the VTEC system online for everyone

The H22 would come later and would benefit from the technology pioneered by the B16 project adding a torquey motor to a somewhat smaller cc lineup

The major flaw with using a straight H22 setup is the balance shafts and the transmission. The motor isnt that bad but the transmission is garbage in racing form - a major source of lackluster support for the motor since racing breeds parts.

Now that the H2B QSD mounts and adapter plate are available we will see the H rise in popularity - more so than all the years it was only available with an H trans.

The H motor with a B series trans is the ultimate in old school VTEC rod shifted power in my opinion...built as a 2.4 or 2.5L+ combo there isnt a B series capable of the same power production....period.

Steph P. was the first Honda in the 8's using an H22...he also used an aftermarket gearbox to do it.

I have owned and raced several B series motors and I plan on building a big H with B series trans for my next project. I am not too fond of the K series cable shifted trans - the B series trans positive shift feel is hands down a good reasons the H will remain a viable feel for sportsman level racers on a budget.

A simple H2B will yeild a 12 sec hatch without much fuss -- quicker than any straight B combo

The H motor isnt bad but the B has had alot of development time and factory backed racing efforts - the ITR motors were designed for track duty - I dont feel the H22 has had the same OEM development but its not something we cant fix with a little help from the aftermarket. Once fixed the H is hands down a powerhouse....its a B on steroids

 

Who is "mister 9.4 seconds in the quarter"???

 

Some loser who races a prelude down the 1/4 miles instead of a civic.

 

LoL!!!!

Just goes to show how limited and narrow minded so many so called tuners are about their cars.

MD23vtec my hats off to you bro, you have done some serious damage with your lude.

 

Depends on what car you drive and what your plans are. I use to own a 91 accord so of course h22 makes more sense than any b-series.