Hey guys,

As the title states, I'm wondering how JDM cars are classed in the SCCA - specifically the B16 EG.

Also, do you guys care about PAX at all? I've been searching the internet for results from the Nationals, but I can never find it sorted by PAX. Help here would be appreciated.

I have more questions, but I'll start with this.

 

I could be wrong, but I believe imported cars are prohibited from certain classes.

PAX is more a driver comparison, say you were in ST and wanted to compare how you would fare in CS. I find it kind of hokey, but whatever.

 

I also dislike PAX, but is it not used to determine the overall event winner? Up here (Ontario, Canada) we use PAX to determine the series (yearly) champion as well as event winners.

Still looking for an answer to the JDM Civic question. Does it fit in to any of the SP classes...and if so, if you did a JDM B16 swap in your USDM Civic, could you run in that same SP class?

 

A B16 swap into a Civic would be in SMF. If you are only planning on competing locally, you should be fine in SMF. We had a RHD JDM CRX running in SSM locally. It had a B16 swap.

 

I do not think it will fit in the SP classes, it might be ruled as cletus said, a civic with a swap.

As far as I know SP allows engines that came with that model swapped, but because the SiR was not a North American model it is prohibited.

 

Hmm...currently we (CASC - Ontario Region) are allowing JDM EG Civic SIRs to run in the same class as USDM EK Civic SIs. In my opinion, there really isn't any reason why this SHOULDN'T be the case.

If you had a 1994 JDM SiR, and a 2000 USDM Si side by side, I think everyone would agree that they should be in the same class.

I wonder how they would class Skylines and other cars that we didn't get in North America?

 

Id much rather be in a 94 SiR than a USDM 2000 Si, not to mention the availability of LSD in the Japanese trans.

With that logic ITR's should be classed with LS's.

 

I overlooked the LSD.

I too would prefer the SiR. I guess the Del Sol and EK Si are closer to each other than they are to the SiR...mainly due to weight.

I guess my next question would be what class (any) is a B-swapped Civic most competitive in...on PAX. I refuse to go back to a D-series.

 

Yea, in SP the B16 Del Sols arent in the same class as Single Cam Sols/Civics.

In all fairness, just send an email to the clubs you plan to autocross with and talk to them. It doesnt sound like you are planning on nationals, so they might let you in another class. Ive done this with a Z6 swapped DX hatch (ST) and let it known with other competitors that if they had a problem with it I would go to another class, and no one had any qualms.

 

Just double checked, and I guess what I meant to propose is that the JDM SiR would compete in the same class as the EK Si in SP...which would be the same class as the ITR. Regardless, it doesn't matter...no one is going to listen to me...I just wondered how you do it down there. Up here, we try to put the cars in proper classes vs. just tossing them into "modded/swapped" classes.

The funny part is that I am my local club's autoslalom director. I plan on proposing to the region that we move to SCCA classing (likely starting 2013). We're one of the only areas NOT using SCCA classes. The Canadian Nationals just started using SCCA classes this year. I'm trying to familiarize myself with the rules and classing so that I can maximize my car for it's class.

I AM interested in competing in a Canadian National event at some point...and possibly cruise down to the US to see how I stack up.

 

If you're wanting to go to SCCA classing rules there is the official rules floating around the interwebs. A google search should point you in the right direction.

 

Here are the 2011 Rules.....
http://www.scca.com/documents/2011%2...lo%20Rules.pdf


I recall the SiR (I know the 84-87's were) being available in Canada, so the "North American" cars rule is really a "in the United States" rule for SCCA purposes.

This is one where you are gonna have to really do your research.


As for PAX, it's more for class comparison, which we use because we lump classes together at our Local club races. We don't have enough competitors in each class to separate them anymore.
PAX Index:
http://scca-chicago.com/solo/indexes/rtp2011.html

Our classes are split like this:
Stock 1 (S1) - SS, AS, FS
Stock 2 (S2) - BS, CS, ES
Stock 3 (S3) - DS, GS, HS
Non-Stock 1 (NS1) - ASP, BSP, ESP
Non-Stock 2 (NS2) - CSP, DSP, FSP
Non-Stock 3 (NS3) - Prepared
Non-Stock 4 (NS4) - Modified
Non-Stock 5 (NS5) - SM, SSM, SMF
Ladies (L) - All classes
Novice (N) - No season trophy, one season limit; Min. 140 treadwear tires; No ST, STS, STR, STX, or STU
Street Tire 1 (T1) - Stock classes; Minimum 140 treadwear tires
Street Tire 2 (T2) - Non-Stock (Street Prepared, Modified, Prepared, Street Mod); Minimum 140 treadwear
Street Tire 3 (T3) - STX & STU; Minimum 140 treadwear tires
Street Tire 4 (T4) - ST, STS, STR; Minimum 140 treadwear tires
Classic (C) - 1979 model year or older; No Modified; Minimum 140 treadwear tires
Vintage (V) - Cars 25+ years old; Class-appropriate tires
PAX (P) - Combined PAX class; all cars allowed
Time Only (TO) - No trophies or points

So when I'm racing in G-Stock, all I have to worry about is the H-Stock, G-Stock, and D-Stock PAX factors

 

I have a copy of the rules, that's not the issue. I just couldn't find where in the rules it talks about JDM cars.

What class would an R32/R33 Skyline GTR run in at the Nationals? How 'bout a JDM Mark IV Supra which is actually slower than a USDM one? I guess it's more of an issue here in Canada as I believe the import laws are a little more relaxed than in the US.

 

SCCA does not allow import cars pretty much in any class.

X-Prepared would be the class to put odd swaps in (like if I were to put a 4.6 or 5.4 SOHC or DOHC engine into my Mustang instead of CP with my 5.0L)

 

The issue is that cars are rules are for USDM cars...

Street Prepared:
An SiR is automatically disqualified from SP. Most other forums tend to say that a JDM car is Prepared or Modified.

But since you are in Canada, you need to find out what other clubs in Canada are doing abotu these instances. Contact your Canadian Nationals commitee. They would be the ones to know. Here in the US, they are bumped up. Hell, if it had "JDM" fender vents, it's automatically Modified.

 

PAX does not count for competition, although there may be prizes for top PAX times or w/e for certain regions. There is always one to claim fastest raw time and fastest PAX times, normally they are 2 different cars/drivers/classes(except for this years UMD FSAE car at nationals, holy f@ck). So basically, top PAX is all just bragging rights. Class winners is what matters more and are awarded points.

No it wouldn't fit into a *SP class. The closest thing in comparison would be the USDM ITR which is a DSP car.

Doing a JDM B16 swap in a USDM Civic would put you in SMF. *SP rules don't allow that kind of swap.

The '94 JDM SiR and '00 USDM Si are very different. On the surface, they may seen compariable, but when you get into tunning the cars and compeition, the '94 JDM SiR would run away with the prize. Couple of things that would stand out that it is lighter and has a shorter wheelbase. Which I know first hand those little differences make a HUGE impact on times.

None really. SMF has a good PAX for local competition, but only if you're a national champion as my Sponsor is. He's taken top PAX at a few local events in SMF with his K24 swapped 5th gen hatch.

*SP or Prepared would be way too harsh so no luck there.

Those cars would technically not be allowed for competition. Local regions may allow them to run, but as far as the rule book says, they can't compete. My region has seen a few Skylines run but they never come back. Now the new GT-R is allowed to compete since it is sold in the US.

 

Golf clap.

 

Full JDM cars are in traditional Modified. Possibly X Prepared. If its just a parts swap(engine, tranny, etc) they are in Street Modified(SM, SSM, SMF).

The Skylines would be in XP or EM. the R35 GTR is cuurently classed as ASP, as it sits on the stock exclusion listing. It may move to SS in 2012, but I think its unlikely change.

PAX results of larger SCCA events can be found here. remember, PAX is based off the best finishes in class. The top cars, with top driver, and most comprehensive preparation.

 

civexspeedy: Great post...thank you.

And THANK YOU! I thought I checked there before, and didn't find it. Maybe it was too soon after the event.