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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 09:39 AM
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Default k24 or b18c?

i have a 1995 honda dx coupe and i was planning on swapping the engine and putting a better one in and i do not know what to pick, are the k series better than the b's? please help
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 09:45 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

How often do you want to fill up your gas tank?
K24 will have a lot more potential and being the new kid on the block.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 09:46 AM
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of course the K-series are better than the B series. it all depends on what your trying to achieve with ur swap and how much horsepower u want. it also depends on ur budget. if your going to swap a k series look to spend upwards of $5000-$6000....u can get a gsr swap for half the price. just the mounts alone for a K series swap can run $800
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:01 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

What can you afford? should be the question you need to ask yourself.
Is it better? Than what? Honda doesn't ship anything with B-series engines anymore. Why do you think that is?
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:02 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

so it would be alot easier to install the b series?
i dont really want to get mounts or anything like that i want something that will fit right in there
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:05 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

K swap is miles out of your league then. A b swap is simple enough for you, and you'll have lots of potential and room to grow, for a fair amount cheaper
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:08 AM
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K swap is miles out of your league then. A b swap is simple enough for you, and you'll have lots of potential and room to grow, for a fair amount cheaper
so the b16 is better than the b18?
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:19 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

lets make this easy. b18a < b18b < b16a < b18c < b16b < b18c"R"

There are some variences there, but for the most part, thats what your looking at
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:22 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

out of all of those witch has the most power and the most potential for aftermarket add ons such as turbo? witch one can take more psi?
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 10:26 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

Dude. Google something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_B_engine

PSI doesn't mean anything.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 11:06 AM
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If you want the best of both worlds then get an H22A swap. You can get the H2b kit which uses the H engine and the B transmission. The H2b is an adapter plate that allows you to use that transmission.

If you stick with the H22a transmission you will have to mount the shift box. I did this and wasn't difficult at all.

Or do an F22B2 swap and boost it even if you don't turbo it the engine still has plenty of pep for the small civic frame. The engine is cheep and no one does this kind of swap you still can do an H2b or use the F transmission, but you will still have to use the shifter box.


I get about 220 miles a tank on the H22a and its tuned.

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Don't let anyone tell you the H22 civic swap is difficult, if they are they are obviously lacking something. I have never built a car before and it was so much fun and just took a little outside the box thinking adapting things.. but as I tell everyone, hondas are like legos they all just go together its fantastic.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 12:26 PM
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i wouldn't put a b16 anything above a b18. with a simple vtec conversion b20/18a/b dominate b16s. not to mention even on the ctr it still has no torque.

stick with whatever you have and just turbo it. cheapest easiest solution.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 01:20 PM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

Hahah a turbo is by no means "a cheep solution" I see so many ghetto turbo setups its not even funny... built it right the first time and build it once.

I hate it when people buy crap components and then later they break and buy more... its like! if you would have bought the correct stuff now you wouldn't have had this problem.
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Old Sep 14, 2011 | 01:41 PM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

just stick with a d series and read up for a couple months
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 05:53 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

Originally Posted by Red_Army
i wouldn't put a b16 anything above a b18. with a simple vtec conversion b20/18a/b dominate b16s. not to mention even on the ctr it still has no torque.

stick with whatever you have and just turbo it. cheapest easiest solution.
True enough, but stock for stock b16 will overpower an LS. although the ls/crv will still take a b16 from 0-120km/h or so depending on the tranny.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 08:00 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

Don't be surprised if an ebay link pop's up asking if this turbo kit is any good..
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 08:28 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

Originally Posted by fallrivercolin
K swap is miles out of your league then. A b swap is simple enough for you


I really don't think he's even ready for a swap.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 09:16 AM
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I really don't think he's even ready for a swap.
not ready for a swap? why is that i have been driving stick since i was 14 and now i bought my car and am not satisfied with the engine i i have 6000 saved up and am looking for the best swap, the most potential. 6000 dollars can go a long long way in a civic enough to shut up alot of peoples mouths.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 09:22 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

Ericezy: you need to do more research.
Lots of good advice on this thread, read it and research the possible solutions for each piece of advice you're given on here.

To help you (and the next person that's doing a search), based on my understanding some of the K-series motors have more potential (being a newer design) and respond very well to bolt-ons such as Intake, Header and Exhaust (+ tuning). Not all of them though... for example, the K20A3 in the EP3 is a much less desirable 'K' option.

The K swap in an EG or EK is going to be more expensive for various reasons. The most obvious one: the engine layout. So if you're looking for a more 'natural' swap, the B-series fits the bill. Even though there are plenty of *clean*, well done K-swaps out there, I still feel like they are some form of 'hack' and wanted a more 'natural' swap and went for the B-series.

The H2B solution is probably the best bang for the buck. I love my B18C-R but sometimes I wish I'd have given more consideration to that route.

And before you ask... adding intake, header and exhaust (I/H/E) on your D-series engine is not going to make a tangible performance improvement, so don't bother. Lookup Mini-Me or Turbocharging D series on Google instead.

Happy reading.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 10:14 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

aren't the H engines out of preludes?
wouldn't they be too big to fit in there? or is the mounting not that much extra to pay for?
i wouldn't mind getting it mounted and even with the mounts would it fit my transmission or would i need to get another transmission?
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 10:44 AM
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Default Re: k24 or b18c?

Originally Posted by Ericezy
aren't the H engines out of preludes?
wouldn't they be too big to fit in there? or is the mounting not that much extra to pay for?
i wouldn't mind getting it mounted and even with the mounts would it fit my transmission or would i need to get another transmission?
Any swap you pick you are going to have to change transmissions. You wouldn't want to keep that crappy D-series trans anyway.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 01:01 PM
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H will fit, but you need mounts, shifter box&cables, and a fair amount of wiring to make it work. B series requires two mounts I believe, basic wiring (conversion harnesses) and thats about it really.
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 04:34 PM
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just make a table and price every thing for a k in one side a b in the middle and built turbo d(only because you have 6000 to spend that is a fully built motor my friend)
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by fallrivercolin
H will fit, but you need mounts, shifter box&cables, and a fair amount of wiring to make it work. B series requires two mounts I believe, basic wiring (conversion harnesses) and thats about it really.
H2B
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Old Sep 15, 2011 | 04:40 PM
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sidebar i could never figure out how to mount the shifter box so i could never go h
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