Heel-toe brake pedal effort
hmmm a most interesting question.
What is your current set up? Brakes front and rear, and pads.
I also dont brake using my whole foot.
I tend to lift my big toe and apply even pressure.
Less chance of me locking up that way, and i can pivot my foot easier.
Some people drive with two feet. One on the accellerator and one on the clutch and brake.
It all takes lots of practice though. its not an overnight learned thing.
What is your current set up? Brakes front and rear, and pads.
I also dont brake using my whole foot.
I tend to lift my big toe and apply even pressure.
Less chance of me locking up that way, and i can pivot my foot easier.
Some people drive with two feet. One on the accellerator and one on the clutch and brake.
It all takes lots of practice though. its not an overnight learned thing.
Do you have a 40/40 prop valve?
Ya might want to push the brake pads up to something with more bite in the hawk line.
It looks like thats what you are running now.
Ya might want to push the brake pads up to something with more bite in the hawk line.
It looks like thats what you are running now.
try hawk DTC-60
hp+ are good up to a limit...when heat kicks in, they're not that great. they are more of a street pad.
it should always be possible (maybe not always easy) to heel and toe.
good luck
hp+ are good up to a limit...when heat kicks in, they're not that great. they are more of a street pad.
it should always be possible (maybe not always easy) to heel and toe.
good luck
Tell me if I'm hearing you right:
It sounds like you're saying when you're pressing the brake pedal down hard in a hard braking zone, you have trouble maintaining a constant pressure while trying to swivel your foot/heel to blip the throttle.
If thats what's happening:
1. Instead of trying to use your heel, and rotating your foot all the way around, instead use the ball of your foot on the brake pedal, and rotate your ankle sideways such that the right side of your foot can blip the gas (instead of your heel). Your foot position will be sort of having part of your foot on the brake and part on the gas at the same time. I've always found this way much easier to do, especially when teaching it to heel-toe noobs.
2. Practice more
Maintaining the correct pedal modulation is one of the hardest parts of properly heel-toeing. Just takes doing it a whole lot.
It sounds like you're saying when you're pressing the brake pedal down hard in a hard braking zone, you have trouble maintaining a constant pressure while trying to swivel your foot/heel to blip the throttle.
If thats what's happening:
1. Instead of trying to use your heel, and rotating your foot all the way around, instead use the ball of your foot on the brake pedal, and rotate your ankle sideways such that the right side of your foot can blip the gas (instead of your heel). Your foot position will be sort of having part of your foot on the brake and part on the gas at the same time. I've always found this way much easier to do, especially when teaching it to heel-toe noobs.
2. Practice more
Maintaining the correct pedal modulation is one of the hardest parts of properly heel-toeing. Just takes doing it a whole lot.
It should always be easy to lock up the brakes. There is something fundamentally wrong if you find it difficult to see smoke in a production car. You should hit the brakes very hard at first to get rid of the inertia in the wheels, tires, and brake rotors. In a production car, your brake effort should be fairly steady until you begin turning. You should feel you're right on the ragged edge of locking up throughout the entire braking zone (including after turn-in) if you've done things right. If any of this sounds incorrect, change things in your brake system, starting with the easiest (pads, rotors, the hydraulics) until this feels about right.
The advice on heel toe has been pretty dead on so far. The biggest thing is PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. Any time you see three pedals, try to use one foot for two.
I wouldn't try left-foot-braking unless you have a gearbox that can handle it.
The advice on heel toe has been pretty dead on so far. The biggest thing is PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE. Any time you see three pedals, try to use one foot for two.
I wouldn't try left-foot-braking unless you have a gearbox that can handle it.
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sometimes going into a corner so fricken hot you can barely slow it down enough leads to going out of said turn slower.
i think if your so ragged-edge on a single particular turn, you might want to re-think that turn, and maybe get some higher end data aquisition stuff that can tell you whats going on in that turn. a couple miles an hour slower might mean your fighting the car less, the tire might hook better, and you might be able to get on the gas a second or two faster.
sometimes the wildest craziest line isnt that fast, it just feels that way.
i think if your so ragged-edge on a single particular turn, you might want to re-think that turn, and maybe get some higher end data aquisition stuff that can tell you whats going on in that turn. a couple miles an hour slower might mean your fighting the car less, the tire might hook better, and you might be able to get on the gas a second or two faster.
sometimes the wildest craziest line isnt that fast, it just feels that way.
If thats what's happening:
1. Instead of trying to use your heel, and rotating your foot all the way around, instead use the ball of your foot on the brake pedal, and rotate your ankle sideways such that the right side of your foot can blip the gas (instead of your heel). Your foot position will be sort of having part of your foot on the brake and part on the gas at the same time. I've always found this way much easier to do, especially when teaching it to heel-toe noobs.
1. Instead of trying to use your heel, and rotating your foot all the way around, instead use the ball of your foot on the brake pedal, and rotate your ankle sideways such that the right side of your foot can blip the gas (instead of your heel). Your foot position will be sort of having part of your foot on the brake and part on the gas at the same time. I've always found this way much easier to do, especially when teaching it to heel-toe noobs.
I know people say to practice it on street but it is never graceful for me; however, on track it is perfectly fine :shrugs:
I roll my ankle over also using the two halves of the ball of my foot on both pedals. My feet are way to big to even attempt to actually use the heel in any sort of normal pedal box. I definitely find it easier on track than at street speeds. Maybe I just need to drive more aggressively
Doing it well on the street is definitely harder than on track. Once again though, just practice practice practice
That being said I know a number of people, whether through injury or age, that can't move their right ankle like that.
That being said I know a number of people, whether through injury or age, that can't move their right ankle like that.
lol? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuo:_The_Iron_Man
I roll my ankle over also using the two halves of the ball of my foot on both pedals. My feet are way to big to even attempt to actually use the heel in any sort of normal pedal box. I definitely find it easier on track than at street speeds. Maybe I just need to drive more aggressively
I roll my ankle over also using the two halves of the ball of my foot on both pedals. My feet are way to big to even attempt to actually use the heel in any sort of normal pedal box. I definitely find it easier on track than at street speeds. Maybe I just need to drive more aggressively

One of the big differences in street h/t vs. track h/t is how much of a gas blip you give. Way less on the street unless you're driving like an *******.

like steve said, i still drive like grandma betty on the street and well the track too. but, i still "practice" on the street everyday. it has actually became habit, you can do the downshift at a lower rpm to still "execute the shift properly". too much gas or not enough can be felt/heard/"sensed" regardless of rpm.
one problem i got from doing it on the street is when i go to the track i would want to do the downshift at the same moment i got to the brake. obviously this isn't good going into a heavy brake zone, i got over that habit quickly.
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I would definitely change out the brake pads for something a little more hardcore, pads that have a good initial bite but good modulation.
I ran the HP+ at Gingerman last week on the EM1. Figured they would work well like they did on my EP3 years prior. However i found the braking to be dull and soft, so i won't be running those again next time out. Looking at Carbotech XP10s front and XP8s rear for the car next time.
I ran the HP+ at Gingerman last week on the EM1. Figured they would work well like they did on my EP3 years prior. However i found the braking to be dull and soft, so i won't be running those again next time out. Looking at Carbotech XP10s front and XP8s rear for the car next time.
LOL @ post edits!
Just keep practicing dude. And FWIW, I could heel-toe my old diesel Rabbit all day long.
My every day vehicle is a Nissan terrano 2.7tdi. So practicing heel toe on street is impossible, diesel engines dont have the throttle response needed.
The gear ratios in my civic cause me to worry as the engine rpm's are very high and should be matched on downshifts. Its going to be eventual epic fail if i dont recfity my prob.
The gear ratios in my civic cause me to worry as the engine rpm's are very high and should be matched on downshifts. Its going to be eventual epic fail if i dont recfity my prob.
Heel toe is more than just blindly revving the engine with the brake lights on. Why I recommend practicing on the street is to better peoples' reception to what the car needs. I HATE, more than anything else in the world, coaching people from the right seat that over-blip downshifts. If I go home with a sore neck because someone hasn't figured out how to be gentle with rev-matching, I won't be happy to go back to work with the person the next day.
I've practiced on diesels, hot rods, GT cars, DP cars, etc. I recommend leaning how to do it in your sleep. It is a great skill to have and almost prerequisite to go racing at all. Imagine if DaVinci couldn't easily pick up a pencil and hold it correctly....
I've practiced on diesels, hot rods, GT cars, DP cars, etc. I recommend leaning how to do it in your sleep. It is a great skill to have and almost prerequisite to go racing at all. Imagine if DaVinci couldn't easily pick up a pencil and hold it correctly....
I have trouble with my setup now doing a heel toe downshift. My pedals aren't close enough to roll over and my legs are too long in the proper seat position and they hit the steering wheel. I need a longer hub and smaller wheel. I used to be able to do it with ease but my long legs now are in an awkward position and it just doesn't work out.
Either swap the original MC back in or upgrade the calipers front and rear to match it.
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i dunno ur asking a good question but ur driving in ur video is choppy... maybe u need to learn to drive smoother first.. u lock up the brakes slide into a turn gas it understeer keep going.. u drive very stressfull.. if thats ur video..



