Why am I breaking transmissions?
I’ve got a 99 Honda Civic with a b18c1 swap with turbo. The head is built, block is stock, I'm pushing 15psi, and the gsr tranny has a hand cuff, carbon syncros, and Quaife LSD. The clutch is twin disc. I don’t know the brand but it chatters when it’s in gear and the clutch is pushed in. The slicks are 23”. It’s tuned with Motec and I’d estimate it at about 300hp. I launch at about 6500-7500rpm depending which track I’m at. My quickest ET in the ¼ mile was in San Antonio at 11.92 @ 124.86mph.
The first time I broke it, I was going down the ¼ in Ennis, I went to shift into 4th and it wouldn’t shift. Took it apart to find the teeth busted off 4th gear. Replaced 4th gear, put in the hand cuff, and carbon syncros. A few months later I’m going down the 1/8 in Navasota (small track near my house), went to shift into 2nd and it was like I put it in neutral. This time the teeth were broke off 2nd gear and the shaft.
Although I’m a novice, I consider myself to be an ok driver. I mean, I don’t dog it, I don’t show off, and I rarely drive it on the street. And obviously I never try to shift without pushing in the clutch or anything stupid like that.
I’ve been told that breaking trannys can be affected by driving style, slick size, clutch type, and tuning. Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong in my driving? Any input on my slick size or clutch type? How does tuning affect this issue?
(Note: I’ve also snapped a few stock axles on the driver side before upgrading to DSS.)
Please help before I build my block, turn up the boost, and really destroy my transmission!
Thanks in advance for your advice!
The first time I broke it, I was going down the ¼ in Ennis, I went to shift into 4th and it wouldn’t shift. Took it apart to find the teeth busted off 4th gear. Replaced 4th gear, put in the hand cuff, and carbon syncros. A few months later I’m going down the 1/8 in Navasota (small track near my house), went to shift into 2nd and it was like I put it in neutral. This time the teeth were broke off 2nd gear and the shaft.
Although I’m a novice, I consider myself to be an ok driver. I mean, I don’t dog it, I don’t show off, and I rarely drive it on the street. And obviously I never try to shift without pushing in the clutch or anything stupid like that.
I’ve been told that breaking trannys can be affected by driving style, slick size, clutch type, and tuning. Does anyone know what I might be doing wrong in my driving? Any input on my slick size or clutch type? How does tuning affect this issue?
(Note: I’ve also snapped a few stock axles on the driver side before upgrading to DSS.)
Please help before I build my block, turn up the boost, and really destroy my transmission!
Thanks in advance for your advice!
Last edited by hothondagurl; Sep 3, 2011 at 11:44 AM.
Sounds like you're a bit hard with that left foot. If dead set on keeping the twin disk, consider using a clutch delay valve for the slave cylinder? For under 550whp, I'd just put a Competition Clutch Stage 4 in there and be done with it. I run 11.30s with 380 whp on stock trans and haven't broken one yet.
Sounds like you're a bit hard with that left foot. If dead set on keeping the twin disk, consider using a clutch delay valve for the slave cylinder? For under 550whp, I'd just put a Competition Clutch Stage 4 in there and be done with it. I run 11.30s with 380 whp on stock trans and haven't broken one yet.
Also, I have a clutch delay valve on the slave cylinder but I don't know much about it. Can it be adjusted? Thanks again!
Yes your left foot seams to be an issue here considering your power level. You can learn to bring the clutch out slightly slower and save a lot, but in the heat of the race, its a hard thing to think about. Get a flow control valve and just run with the twin disk, especially since you mentioned building the block and going for more power. Heres a link for your viewing.
http://www.tiltonracing.com/content....st2&id=436&m=b
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Yes your left foot seams to be an issue here considering your power level. You can learn to bring the clutch out slightly slower and save a lot, but in the heat of the race, its a hard thing to think about. Get a flow control valve and just run with the twin disk, especially since you mentioned building the block and going for more power. Heres a link for your viewing.
http://www.tiltonracing.com/content....st2&id=436&m=b
http://www.tiltonracing.com/content....st2&id=436&m=b
Yea my husband told me I need to let the clutch out slower but thanks for understanding that that's easier said than done! So I looked up the tilton flow control valve, which I already have. It was on the car when I bought it. I took it off and it's got the .040 orifice in it. I'll contact tilton to see about getting the .028 and .021 so I can try that. Sure will be nice if an adjustment that simple can save my tranny!
I know of a few 400whp plus guys running stock axles and stock transmissions that rarely break parts. They all get a nice preload on the car and don't have that snap of launching at 7000 rpms or so because they have no slack in the drivetrain components.
Best of luck to you.
Cindy, you have too much clutch for your setup.
Instead of smooth engagement on the shifts you are SHOCKING the teeth and breaking them.
Tell your hubby to think of Top Fuel cars. They slip the clutch A LOT, if not they'd break A LOT of parts. Controlled slippage, but it is not as easy to adjust pressure plate weights and fingers on a FWD car.
Adjustable twin disc for RWD setups
Instead of smooth engagement on the shifts you are SHOCKING the teeth and breaking them.
Tell your hubby to think of Top Fuel cars. They slip the clutch A LOT, if not they'd break A LOT of parts. Controlled slippage, but it is not as easy to adjust pressure plate weights and fingers on a FWD car.
Adjustable twin disc for RWD setups
Well, it will definitly help to pre-load. Just practice. Its pretty easy to learn. After you get it down once you'll never forget, kind of like riding a bike. Lol
I know of a few 400whp plus guys running stock axles and stock transmissions that rarely break parts. They all get a nice preload on the car and don't have that snap of launching at 7000 rpms or so because they have no slack in the drivetrain components.
Best of luck to you.
I know of a few 400whp plus guys running stock axles and stock transmissions that rarely break parts. They all get a nice preload on the car and don't have that snap of launching at 7000 rpms or so because they have no slack in the drivetrain components.
Best of luck to you.
Last edited by hothondagurl; Sep 16, 2011 at 11:04 AM. Reason: forgot something
Cindy, you have too much clutch for your setup.
Instead of smooth engagement on the shifts you are SHOCKING the teeth and breaking them.
Tell your hubby to think of Top Fuel cars. They slip the clutch A LOT, if not they'd break A LOT of parts. Controlled slippage, but it is not as easy to adjust pressure plate weights and fingers on a FWD car.
Adjustable twin disc for RWD setups

Instead of smooth engagement on the shifts you are SHOCKING the teeth and breaking them.
Tell your hubby to think of Top Fuel cars. They slip the clutch A LOT, if not they'd break A LOT of parts. Controlled slippage, but it is not as easy to adjust pressure plate weights and fingers on a FWD car.
Adjustable twin disc for RWD setups

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