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Old Oct 3, 2002 | 10:25 PM
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Can somebody explain this...i am just learning i want to understand why can this rsx be so dumped while nobody else can be from what i've read so far being low like that isn't good!?!?!?! confused

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Old Oct 3, 2002 | 10:30 PM
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Put simply, lower is better as long as you maintain suspension travel and don't screw up the geometry.

Dropping the car 3" without shortening the shocks, stiffening the springs, and potentially many other things to allow control arms to clear wheel wells and such will result in handling far worse than stock.

This just scratches the surface. A search will likely yeild a bunch of information.
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Old Oct 3, 2002 | 11:03 PM
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The car didn't run that day. I would bet that when on the track, it will be set up a little higher.
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Old Oct 3, 2002 | 11:16 PM
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Understood. Thank you.
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Old Oct 3, 2002 | 11:23 PM
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I was at Laguna Seca to check out Leslie's RSX... I noticed that there wasn't any spindle nut on the front wheels so that might suggest the car was there for display purpose only..

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Old Oct 3, 2002 | 11:37 PM
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Default Re: I thought being low wasn't good for the track?!?!?! (1.8 HB)

that car didn't even have a motor in it. it was slammed for looks.
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Old Oct 4, 2002 | 07:40 AM
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that car didn't even have a motor in it. it was slammed for looks.
That is funny. I didn't even bother to check!
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Old Oct 4, 2002 | 08:10 AM
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Also remember that the RSX uses struts up front instead of double wishbones. Makes it a whole lot easier to drop the car down without adverse effects.
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Old Oct 4, 2002 | 08:19 AM
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Also remember that the RSX uses struts up front instead of double wishbones. Makes it a whole lot easier to drop the car down without adverse effects.
What?!!!

This is actually 100% not true. Lowering an SLA setup too much decreases the travel and renders the shocks useless. On a McPherson strut setup you don't lose suspension travel but what you gain is more radical camber changes as the suspension moves. The lower you go the more static positive camber you get. If you go too low then you will not be able to get the car to a point where it has any negative camber . . . ever.


Drew - Who would rather have a bottoming out suspension than an assload of positive camber
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Old Oct 4, 2002 | 01:13 PM
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Not positive (of anything, since I finished drafting my dissertaton proposal) but WCT rules allow some limited relocation of suspension pickups and geometry. I think. Too wacked to look it up right now, so I'm going to mow the lawn.

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Old Oct 4, 2002 | 01:48 PM
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Default Re: I thought being low wasn't good for the track?!?!?! (Drew M)

Also remember that the RSX uses struts up front instead of double wishbones. Makes it a whole lot easier to drop the car down without adverse effects.What?!!!

This is actually 100% not true. Lowering an SLA setup too much decreases the travel and renders the shocks useless. On a McPherson strut setup you don't lose suspension travel but what you gain is more radical camber changes as the suspension moves. The lower you go the more static positive camber you get. If you go too low then you will not be able to get the car to a point where it has any negative camber . . . ever.


Drew - Who would rather have a bottoming out suspension than an assload of positive camber
that's assuming all they are doing is lowering the car, without any alterations/changes made to the suspension geometry/pickup points. also remember that camber plates can be used, and for a track only car, suspension travel is maybe 1/2 inch total...how many degrees of camber can you possibly go through in 1/2 inches of travel??
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Old Oct 4, 2002 | 03:27 PM
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HART (Honda of America Racing Team) was having serious issues with lowering the new RSX because the axles in the front had so much stress placed upon them, they would heat up and ruin pretty much everything up there.

Needless to say, they aren't real fond of the new front suspension design on the RSX.
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Old Oct 5, 2002 | 12:03 PM
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The lower you go the more static positive camber you get. If you go too low then you will not be able to get the car to a point where it has any negative camber . . . ever.
Are you sure you just said what you meant to say. If so, that could not be farther from the truth. The design of any competent macpherson strut style suspension would have camber gain just the same as any upper/lower control arm setup. If this has been moded properly and you shorten the strut in order to maintain travel, all you would really need to do is tip the strut in at the top a little farther, and you would maintain that camber gain.

To say that this suspension would be so totally positively cambered that it could never acheive negative camber is false.

Now then, if thats not what you meant to say, then forget I even posted this.



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