compare these to the spoon capilers

are the mugen ones 2 pot??

 

Mugen calipers are S2000 brakes with mounting hardware to make it a bolt-on affair for the DC2.

 

how do mugen calipers compare to stock front ones?

 

There is really no need for upgraded brakes on a DC2 ITR if you find no fault with the stockers.

If it ain't broke...

 

very true, i just wanted to compare it with spoon calipers, saying they are same price range..

 

Single piston sliding.

 

so which stop better?

 

Both the Spoon and Mugen brake solutions seem to be angled more toward offering better pedal feel and resistance to fading than increased braking performance.

 

true..cause neither brake systems increase pad size ..or rotor size ...simply fade resistance , and pedal feel ...

 

Mugen calipers use bigger rotors and require 16" wheel. Calipers are cast iron painted gold --- very heavy.

Spoon calipers are aluminum. Half the weight of the stock DC2R brakes. 4-piston.

IMO forget about the Mugen brakes.....

 

for the price of a set of calipers from spoon
you get a more complete package from mugen

i have tried both setups and the spoon with porterfields pads did not impress me...
although it bit very hard...after about 9 laps of super hard braking....the heat took over..and all the clamping in the world wont do you any good...
maybe with some of the heat issues adressed the spoon could surpass the mugen

i have never expirienced any of the same problems with the mugens...and i i think they grab incredibly hard
my only complaint would be the price of replacement rotors,
but i think they are the most important part of this kit...

but dont take my word for it...

Robbie Montinola (drives a formula dodge and a type R) was so impressed he is considering the setup for his race car

but then again..i am mugen biased!

 

I think there was a post like this a little while back.
Mugen is the complete system, where as Spoon is just the calipers.

 

imo the mugen system should be better because it utilizes a bigger and thicker rotor.

the spoon system is lighter (doesn't help braking much), uses the OEM pad size and OEM rotor size. it may be able to clamp harder - but it won't make up for the difference you get with a bigger rotor (think: long wrench vs short wrench - increase grip pressure doesn't necessarily make it easier to turn a nut - what you need is LEVERAGE)

the only way to increase braking performance (i'm not talking modulation here) - is to increase the swept area of the rotor (by increasing radius), increase heat sink (by utilizing a bigger rotor mass), improve rotor cooling, use pads with higher Mu compounds, better fluid and better tires.

the stock system can cause the ABS to kick in with stock (street) tires - increasing clamping force does nothing but make the ABS kick in earlier. You need to make a concomitant change in tire compound or tire width to improve the braking adhesion of the tires.

 

I think i'll be using the STOPTECH AeroRotors on my Spoon calipers pretty soon. We'll see how that turns out.

 

Compared to a Fastbrakes Wilwood set, they're both overpriced.

 

any link on the wilwood kit?

 

JDM bling isn't cheap.

 

FASTBRAKES

Brian Hasty (owner of Fastbrakes) is a great guy to do business with.

 

the fast brakes are much cheaper... which kit is good? the 11.75 4 piston kit?

 

That's a very important point. It also explains why Spoon made a kit for 15" wheels because most race tires for the DC2R are in 15" size.

If you were gonna track the car with 16" street tires and track pads, there would be plenty of lockup even with stock calipers.

 

Unfortunately, running certain 15" wheels wouldn't really match well with the Spoon calipers.

+8mm spacers = wider is better?

 

huh?

 

If you want better stopping, upgrade your brake pads. Cheaper and very effective.

 

Don't forget a good brake fluid also.

 

That was referring to the Mugen brake system. The car would need 16" rims and choices on R tires would be very limited (only Hoosier I believe?).
In other words, Mugen system + good pads --> 16" rims --> street tires --> easy wheel lockup.