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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 02:33 PM
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my clutch is acting up, i dont know what the problem is. i tried turning it on it didnt want to work, i stepped harder on the clutch and it turned on fine.

I made a trip to the gas station, it turned on fine after i pumped gas. i went to the store, then it didnt want to turn on.

It wouldnt do anything (same thing that happens when you turn the ignition without stepping on the clutch)

i pushed started it, and everything works fine... I dont know what it could be...

Ill appreciate any help. thanks
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 03:07 PM
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There's a switch on the clutch, sounds like it's either out of adjustment, or going bad. There's also a little button that pops into a hole on the clutch pedal arm - and the plunger on the switch hits that button.

Sometimes the button gets old/brittle and starts to fall apart - so check that before doing much with the switch.

Best guess tho is that (at least) the switch is sticking?
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 04:09 PM
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sounds like the button is going bad to me if it works whe nu press harder
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 04:53 PM
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Sounds like the switch may be going bad. One way to check would be to bypass the switch all together. You can use a paperclip to stick in the female plug to jump the leeds. If the car starts with no problem, then you have a bad switch.

From there you can do one of two things, cut the plug coming from the switch and solder the two wires together to bypass the switch permanently or just replace the switch. As far as I can remember its two wires coming from the switch. I haven't looked at mine in a long time.

Good luck
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 08:40 PM
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Could be a bad neutral safety switch (clutch pedal switch), main relay, starter, or ignition switch.

I'd jump the neutral safety switch with a paperclip first, then move your way forward. If paperclip doesn't work, proceed to main relay. The white wire going in should have power when you try to start, this white wire is the ignition switch wire. If there's no power, replace your switch, if there is power, check to see if power is coming out. If power isn't coming out, proceed to the starter. Pull the small wire off of the starter and have someone else try to start the car while you probe the small wire with a test light. If there's power, replace the starter. If there's no power than I don't know what the problem is
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 09:05 PM
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yeah its most likely the switch, just lookunder your dash and you will see a switch mounted behind the clutch pedal. My switch fell out of where it was mounted so i just cut the wires and tied them together. This will enable you to start the car without pushing in the clutch just make sure you don't start it in gear!
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 09:08 PM
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I'd discourage permanently bypassing the clutch interlock - it's a safety device. Had a truck that had a conversion and the installer had skipped the switch. My daughter reached over on a cold day to start the car and run the heater - without the switch, it started in gear and if the rail hadn't been rather sturdy she and the truck would've dropped a story or two in the parking garage.

Safety first!
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 10:01 PM
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i had a buddy almost take out a propane tank due to his clutch switch was bypassed.. not a very fun day
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 10:14 PM
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I don't think anyone is telling him to bypass is permanently. The easiest way to test if it's bad is through bypassing it temporarily.
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Old Jun 19, 2011 | 11:51 PM
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Default Re: car doesnt crank when clutch is in push starting car works fine

Originally Posted by mark@silbernage
I'd discourage permanently bypassing the clutch interlock - it's a safety device. Had a truck that had a conversion and the installer had skipped the switch. My daughter reached over on a cold day to start the car and run the heater - without the switch, it started in gear and if the rail hadn't been rather sturdy she and the truck would've dropped a story or two in the parking garage.

Safety first!
solution, don't park in gear, i know its crazy...
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by tam4511
solution, don't park in gear, i know its crazy...
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tam4511
solution, don't park in gear, i know its crazy...
No, the solution is not to bypass the CIS but to replace it. 94
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 06:45 AM
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have you replaced one? its a pain in the *** just to get your hand in there, much less pull it out and put a new one in. Too much work for something you don't need...
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 09:24 AM
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Easiest way to fix this is to remove the clutch pedal entirely...

Took me about 40 minutes to remove the clutch pedal, replace the two plastic pedal stoppers on the clutch (one for neutral safety, one for cruise) and then put the clutch pedal back into the car.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 12:58 PM
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Default Re: car doesnt crank when clutch is in push starting car works fine

Originally Posted by tam4511
have you replaced one? its a pain in the *** just to get your hand in there, much less pull it out and put a new one in. Too much work for something you don't need...
Actually, yes I have, the last one for a customer who hit his dads SUV and damaged his front clip and hood after bypassing his defective CIS, worked for him for a year, he swears he parked it out of gear.

As mentioned, it's not that hard, even if you remove the whole clutch pedal assembly. 94
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 05:49 PM
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No, the solution is not to bypass the CIS but to replace it. 94

Do you just change random parts without checking anything? Don't you think it's kind of a waste of time to do it that way?

Bypass the switch, then if the car starts get a new switch. If the car doesn't start, you will have saved a lot of time and a little bit of money, but can move on to testing the next item.
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Old Jun 20, 2011 | 09:03 PM
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Default Re: car doesnt crank when clutch is in push starting car works fine

i appreciate all the help.
a mechanic told me to do the same thing, but i didnt understand him. but now its clear
Ill make sure to check that and ill get back if i have more questions. im just glad this isnt a rare problem.
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Old Jun 21, 2011 | 05:31 AM
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Default Re: car doesnt crank when clutch is in push starting car works fine

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Do you just change random parts without checking anything? Don't you think it's kind of a waste of time to do it that way?

Bypass the switch, then if the car starts get a new switch. If the car doesn't start, you will have saved a lot of time and a little bit of money, but can move on to testing the next item.
You did not read all the posts did you?

I was referring to a post recommending bypassing the switch permanently.

I never recommend "throwing" parts at a problem till it goes away, I always recommend finding the problem first. 94
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Old Jun 21, 2011 | 05:40 AM
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Default Re: car doesnt crank when clutch is in push starting car works fine

Do you have an alarm with a starter disable? if this is faulty, it could have the same effect as what you are experiencing.
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Old Jun 21, 2011 | 05:42 AM
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Default Re: car doesnt crank when clutch is in push starting car works fine

Originally Posted by tam4511
solution, don't park in gear, i know its crazy...
Sexi_mexi had an old thread where his remote start sent his car through the garage.
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Old Jun 21, 2011 | 12:20 PM
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Default Re: car doesnt crank when clutch is in push starting car works fine

Originally Posted by Dogginator
Sexi_mexi had an old thread where his remote start sent his car through the garage.
Again, that's user error. Tighten up your ebrake and don't park in gear. I never parked in gear even before i disabled my NSS.
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Old Jun 21, 2011 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tam4511
Again, that's user error. Tighten up your ebrake and don't park in gear. I never parked in gear even before i disabled my NSS.
I agree that it was user error: don't disable a safety interlock and then blame another when things go wrong. I always park in gear because it makes it more difficult for the car to accidentally drift or be towed.

We haven't heard back from the OP.
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 01:02 PM
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I dont have an alarm, i also had a friend remote start his car, it ended up crashing into another car and almost went through the front window of where he worked. i never leave my car in gear, and i always check to see that I am in neutral before i start the car.
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by slomofo
Could be a bad neutral safety switch (clutch pedal switch), main relay, starter, or ignition switch.

I'd jump the neutral safety switch with a paperclip first, then move your way forward. If paperclip doesn't work, proceed to main relay. The white wire going in should have power when you try to start, this white wire is the ignition switch wire. If there's no power, replace your switch, if there is power, check to see if power is coming out. If power isn't coming out, proceed to the starter. Pull the small wire off of the starter and have someone else try to start the car while you probe the small wire with a test light. If there's power, replace the starter. If there's no power than I don't know what the problem is
QUESTION.... how exactly do i "jump the leads"? do i connect both sides of the female plug together?
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Old Jun 22, 2011 | 01:37 PM
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http://www.autozone.com/autozone/par...39488_59182_0_

this is where i unplugged it from...
i talked to my friend about it he said the part should be about $40, sure enough i found it @ autozone. i need some more input. is this what were all talking about?
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