The car was street tuned, then drove to the dyno the next day. VTEC still needs to be adjusted, we will be on a dyno in the next couple of days to fine tune all the imperfections. special thanks to ALL MOT0R for all the help and support. and B2R's tuner Herbert for working his magic.




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First!!!
LoL

 

Car needs a bit more timing and some fine tuning but looks excellent.
Thx for the comparison.

 

yes, we will be on the dyno in a few days for some fine tuning. Its hard to see where we lose power on the street. another graph will be posted real soon.

 

So if I'm reading the graphs right, that a 13whp and a 2.5 wtq gain over the crower's?

 

is that why theres a dip between 6-7k? seems to be making alot more at 7k though

 

Thx for sharing!

 

Yep this is my graph. and yes a 13whp gain sae numbers at 8450rpms. inlinepro did not take the car to my 9k rev limit cause they thought i was still at my old 8500 rpm limiter, but after some discussion with them they thought ALL M0T0Rs cams would have made another 2-3whp between 8500-9000rpms, so maybe i would have been around 203-204 whp... who really knows tho. the crowers already start dropping power hard after 8500rpms tho and by 9k they are around 10hp less than wht they peek at. Btw it took two dyno sessions to get the crower cams power band to look that nice so i expect even more when i visit an actual dyno next saturday to tweek in ALL M0T0Rs cams

 

Yes vtec needs to be set higher with more timing.. going to take care of that next week. we really just "banged out" this tune. we did the cam installation and tune all in the same evening and where just tired at this point.. so more tuning to come for sure.

 

How come the uncorrected graph made more power? Lulz!

 

subscribed, looking forward to see it tuned

powerband is choppy as hell right now...

a real comparison would be against some PRO1's tough as the crower cams are known to be mediocre

 

that dip (6k-7k rpm) is normal on the tri-y headers...with some more tuning you should be able to correct that...

in the future a better header and intake manifold should help your engine...

A/F graph post it up....

 

Maybe. Fact remains he made 191 or so on crower2's on a stock bottem end GSR With bolt ons, thats respectable.


The car needs some more dyno seat time, i believe some ign tuning will clear those lines up. The car is asking for a better manifold for sure.. the more parts you give it to breath better, the more power it will make...those cams aren't small, at all.

 

We didn't design these cams against the pro series. This is our stage 1 cam, not our end all be all cam. Our stage 2 is a better comparison for the pro 1's or even inching up on the pro 2's. We just tried to deliver the best cam we could to SOLO and still leave him some room to grow into the cam as he gets better parts or builds the bottom end. I think 200 whp on a basically untouched gsr is very impressive and so do alot of engine builders.

 

yeah i know, but few people have hands on experience with the old crowers.
a bolton GSR i tuned made 194whp on s2s1's and did 104mph in the quarter.

a stock cr GSR hitting 200+whp is fenominal tough...

my comment was not towards your cams tough, more aimed towards the finish of the tune and the possible shortcomings of one of the boltons

you know i'm fond of your cams, damn near bought them. got thrown a set of cams/springs/ret/camgear in my lap for nearly free that i could'nt pass up on because of my stringshoe budget quest for 10's in my daily.

you know we love you, i like how it wants to rev out!

 

Thanks wolve, we appreciate the input. I wasn't knocking you just letting everyone know what these cams were based upon. We love the nitrous build you are working on, as we are nitrous junkies ourselves, and if you know derek he likes his motors to rev.

 

Yes the car completely needs more dyno time as ALL M0T0R said. this was a quick 45-1 hour street tune. half the reason i got this dyno was not just for honda-tech but for me too. This way when we rent a dyno we'll only need an another hour or so to get everything perfect and it wont cost me as much lol! But i was also thinking of getting a sheet metal Intake manifold done which might work better than my lightly ported ITR...?

 

Both those graphs are STD correction....

 

Just call me a hater now and get it over with.

If this is your stage 1, I would be upset. If you average the POWERBAND, not peak, the cams are very close. A few changes on both cams would help either one. "stage 1" cam should be all about mid-range. The gain up top is just for peak, the crower killed it from 6000-7500, more meat of the powerband.

If it need more dyno time, why are you even posting this? This is not a true test, if it was rushed, then you should be finishing it up, then posting. You post findings with as little doubt as possible, not has much doubt as possible.

/hater

PS and this:

 

Cams are designed around having a better intake manifold and what not. He said sooner or later he was going to do some more upgrades, so rather then him be just happy, i wanted him to "really" feel the power and then know that in the future, he'll be able to upgrade to better bolt ons, or possible bore out a bit and not have to worry about being undercammed.

The guy ran a 13.3 in a full interior GSR , i dunno the trap but thats pretty good for only making 191whp.

If these car breaks into the 12's, thats .4 dropped from just a cam swap and a street tune...that means more to me then "dyno" numbers. He's already confirmed the low/midrange is tons better. but a person knows their own car.

BTW, for those of you, that are screaming "pro1's". 00Red_SI already tested the m22x's (notice the single x) Vs the pro2's. Made almost the exact same power. Again, the stage 1's, based upon the "m22xx" are a better profile then the m22x's, not only because of the revamped vtec lobe, but it provides better low / midrange...
00red_si has a dyno proving this as well, just search threads started by him.


The fact still remains that, each cam is designed for each motor. The results will vary. He's making 125+wtq at only 4500rpms, thats pretty good for a stock gsr.

The cams beat the crowers, period. The graph probably doesn't have any gear adjustments done and no ign tuning. I'm sure after another dyno session the graph will look smoother, and probably provide more power. If you aren't impressed from someone going 13.3 @ 102 to someone running 12.9 or 12.8 @ 104 or 105 i dunno what to tell you man. I'm here to make a good product, not impress you.

 

Not hating, but shouldn't a stage 1 cam work with minimal bolt ons?

I would have cleaned up the tuning instead of posting a graph with that horrible dip in it. I know everyone is "super duper excited" to see results of these cams, it would be nice to see some graphs/comparisons without a bunch of exceptions/excuses.

 

Thank for the support wolve, as always

The cams will probably "STOP" making power around 9200ish.. but it'll carry for a bit.
These cams are not only a midrange cam, but they are a high reving, peak cam. This is almost what i call a good all around street cam..its got everything you could want.

 

QUOTE=Turbogixxer;45352798]Just call me a hater now and get it over with.

If this is your stage 1, I would be upset. If you average the POWERBAND, not peak, the cams are very close. A few changes on both cams would help either one. "stage 1" cam should be all about mid-range. The gain up top is just for peak, the crower killed it from 6000-7500, more meat of the powerband.

If it need more dyno time, why are you even posting this? This is not a true test, if it was rushed, then you should be finishing it up, then posting. You post findings with as little doubt as possible, not has much doubt as possible.

/hater

PS and this:[/QUOTE]

There actually are some points that you are correct on and i agree with completely. But then there are some things you completely failed to see... This graph ends at 8500rpms because it was not revved up till 9200 were i have my limiter. with that extra 700rpms the crowers have faded bad and ALL MOTORS cams are still climbing. thats basically more power band which I actually use at the track, basically i DONT shift at 8.5 i shift at 9.2 and the crowers are down by 25-30whp from 8.5 to 9.2, you just cant see it on this graph. You are right with the rushed tuned tho, but i have my tuner street tune first to save my self money, then we always head to the dyno for about an hour dyno session, its just the way ive always done this, its cost effective for me and it works. And yes i shouldnt have posted a graph until these stage 1 cams were fully tuned but ppl wanted to see comparisons ASAP so i did my best in a short amount of time. You may doubt, and i do not have the knowledge that you probably have but man you have no faith buddy lol... After a dyno session im confident we will fix the dip from 6k-7k and we'll actually rev the car till 9.2k to show you the extra 700rpms of meaty powerband, as the crowers literally take a dump after 8.5k, you would know this if you ever tuned them.. Again sorry for rushed results but as you stated haters gna hate P.s. ill try to turn you into a believer with my next dyno graph!

 

nobody shoot me pls...


im just stating wat i see LOL (im no guru)

was the higher whp reading, run with a CAI ? it shows that "aem" hump
at 4,500rpm

there's been comparisons of this vs a SRI

where it gains a hump between 4k and 5k rpm and a bunch at around 7-8k rpm


this is why on a milder revving motor and most sohc's the cai performs good
as it covers a certain midrange and the "top end" which is max 8k most of the time...


(hope i dont get shot or anything)

 

So your stage 1 cam needs better parts then most people run? Way to kick yourself out of most of the market.

I am not basing my posts on my own data. I am basing it on what you have given me. So you spec'ed a cam out for mods you wanted him to do? That sounds a bit on the dumb side. The car is not into the 12's. You do need to stop predicting times. You have done it over and over again.

When I street tuned cars, I would tune the car then act like I changed something to the tune to make "more power". In fact, I changed nothing. Most people would say they felt a different in the car even though it was the same power as before I "made more power". The butt dyno always lies with people that are expecting a gain. So your "he says it feels better" does not mean ****.


Actually, you are here to impress me. Thats why you have soo many posts in this forum. It is not to be super helpful, it is to get attention and now sell your products. If you would have made a good product and tested it like you should have, you would have the results and not have failures in such a short production run.

FYI, I had a motor very similar to this make 202whp on a dynojet with S2S1. The power band was cleaner too. I do not see what the fuss is about.