Car shakes when braking and at high speeds....Its not a warped rotor problem

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Old May 23, 2011 | 05:02 PM
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Default Car shakes when braking and at high speeds....Its not a warped rotor problem

I have a 1991 civic si with a Z6 swap, lowered 3"

So I've slowly been weeding out what the problem could be by replacing my axles, rotors, pads, wheel bearings, alignment and upper/lower balljoints.

I've tried on a set of new balanced wheels and tires off of my buddies car and the problem still occurs.

The only thing i can think of it possibly being is something to do with a bad steering rack or tie rods even though the tie rod ends are in good shape with no play.

Someone PLEASE give me a suggestion as to what it could be, I'm stumped.

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Old May 23, 2011 | 05:05 PM
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I would check the plastic piece in the steering rack I cannot remember what it is called for some reason but it could cause this. Also what about tie rods?
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Old May 23, 2011 | 07:25 PM
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I had this exact same issue in a crx I owned, and its not a great feeling.. i replaced upper and lower balljoints, and went through the bushings in the front end. i ended up taking the car to an alignment shop and they did my tierods, after that the car rode fine.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 07:36 PM
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I'm not sure if this is relevant, but would not having the screws in the rotor cause this? I'm having the same issue and am also trying to weed out some things.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 07:43 PM
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well if you ruled out the pads and rotors then you can try the tie rods like everyone recomends...i had a 93 civic hatch with passenger tie rod slightly worn and it would make the whole cabin rattle at break and around 75mph,its worth a try
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Old May 23, 2011 | 07:47 PM
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The screws that hold the rotor in place are not needed and were only used when the car was originally assembled at the factory.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 07:57 PM
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yeah thats what I thought. OP i would deff have your tierods checked out.
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Old May 23, 2011 | 07:58 PM
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Rack end bushing for sure. And any other balljoint/tie rod that needs replacing.
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Old May 24, 2011 | 10:04 AM
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hmmm...I guess my next step will be replacing the tie rods and then another alignment.

Thanks for all the help everyone.
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Old May 24, 2011 | 02:40 PM
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youd be wise not to ignore my rack end bushing suggestion.

and dont forget to tighten the pinion gearbox and check steering column u joints.
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Old May 24, 2011 | 02:56 PM
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youd be wise not to ignore my rack end bushing suggestion.

and dont forget to tighten the pinion gearbox and check steering column u joints.
Could you please explain what a "rack end bushing" is exactly, I've never heard of it. My steering rack does seem to have some play in it.
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Old May 24, 2011 | 03:35 PM
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check the faq's.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/honda-crx-ef-civic-1988-1991-3/crx-rack-end-bushing-1117870/

$10 part and is all you need to rebuild the manual rack.
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Old May 24, 2011 | 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyson
check the faq's.
https://honda-tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1117870

$10 part and is all you need to rebuild the manual rack.
Thanks for the refrence to the replacement thread, I just ordered the bushing so hopefully that fixes my problem.
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Old May 24, 2011 | 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by D16SiHatch
The screws that hold the rotor in place are not needed and were only used when the car was originally assembled at the factory.
wtf!ya there nedded.trust me
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Old May 24, 2011 | 07:07 PM
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Could you please explain what a "rack end bushing" is exactly, I've never heard of it. My steering rack does seem to have some play in it.
i think he means tie rod ends...and u should get that fixed
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Old May 24, 2011 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ef_cowboy
i think he means tie rod ends...and u should get that fixed
No, that's not what he meant. He was talking about a bushing inside the steering rack.
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Old May 24, 2011 | 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ef_cowboy
wtf!ya there nedded.trust me
No you do not. When you tighten your wheel down it keep the rotor from moving.
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Old May 25, 2011 | 10:53 AM
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ive seen three hondas that didnt put them in and it squealed after...stoped when they put them back..but y start leaving **** out...take pride in your work and dnt leave extra bolts and screws out.
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Old May 25, 2011 | 10:56 AM
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No, that's not what he meant. He was talking about a bushing inside the steering rack.
inside?would anyone have a diagram im interested.
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Old May 25, 2011 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ef_cowboy
inside?would anyone have a diagram im interested.
Really? Dumb noob can't be bothered to click a link?
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Old Jun 4, 2011 | 02:14 PM
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So today I replaced my rack end bushing hoping that would be the issue and there is no improvement at all.

My car is still shaking at freeway speeds and under braking, I'm at a loss, I have no idea what to do now.

Someone please help.
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Old Jun 4, 2011 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ef_cowboy
ive seen three hondas that didnt put them in and it squealed after...stoped when they put them back..but y start leaving **** out...take pride in your work and dnt leave extra bolts and screws out.
That screw is mostly for line-up purposes and to help keep the rotor from flopping around wihile youre putting caliper and pads back on.

You can jack up the front end of the car and see if you can wiggle either wheel back forth. if it's the tie rod ends that are loose you'll feel the slack and likely hear a clunk. Does the steering wheel move around while braking, or is it only vibration?
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Old Jun 4, 2011 | 05:52 PM
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It's only vibration, I know its not a bad wheel bearing or tie rod. I've literally checked everything, the only thing i can think of now is a bent hub. So i have some more trouble shooting to do.
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Old Jun 5, 2011 | 06:40 AM
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Bent Hub would more than likely give you a shimmy at the steering wheel much like a warped rotor. If its not coming thru the steering wheel then I would think it not coming from the wheel end of things. Check all of your bushings for any kind of cracks tears etc. Also how far off is your camber?
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Old Jun 5, 2011 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyson
Really? Dumb noob can't be bothered to click a link?
LOL, yeah, I replaced mine a few years ago. It was cracked in half. Pulled it out with a set of long nose needle pliers after I took off the outer and inner right tie rods.
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