This is a direct cam test of ALL M0T0Rs stage 1 cam vs. Crower Stage 2+ cams that were previously in this setup. Setup is as follows below and nothing will change except the camshaft swap and a 3inch ITR intake. This is a stock block usdm GSR and made 191whp and 133wtq with the crower 2s. once a dyno is done of ALL M0T0Rs stage 1 cams i will repost the old dyno graph for comparsion. Pictures should be added monday or tuesday with dyno runs being done later this week after installation and tuning.


Engine Management:
CROME pro street tuned
PLX wideband

Block:
100% OEM GSR block untouched.

Head:
B16a head, Milled, Lightly ported intake side
JG dual valve springs and titanium retainers, flat face valves
Crower 63402 Cams, Swapped Out for ALL M0T0Rs stage 1s Grinds.
BLOX High Flow Header
2.5" straight pipe custom exhaust, no bends
Type R Intake Manifold Lightly ported and Portmatched
65mm throttle body
AEM 3" itr CAI with a velocity stack out of the front bumper
2layer head gasket
310cc injectors
compression ratio around 10.5:1


I just want to thank Derek/ALL M0T0R for all his time and advice! And my tuner/builder for making this happen within a short amount of time. I should be installing the cams later today. More updates should follow shortly with a dyno test being done later this week. Track times should come in within 1 to 3 weeks. Cross your fingers and hope theres more power to be had!

 

in for dynos

 

In for this.

 

1998INTEGRAGSR's at the dyno right now, just got off the phone with his tuner.. they are making some baseline pulls on the chip i made him, lol.

They are tuning it on Cromepro as well.

 

Can't wait to see the results for this. Myself and All M0T0R are really excited about this. We want everyone to see third party results, We know that's what people want. Good Luck Andrew!!

 

dam hes at the tuner now gettin baselines, then well definetely see results today. Btw ALL MOTOR what is difference in your cam vs the crowers he had?

 

So far the update on Brody's setup is he's making 160 something with no vtec...stout results so far. He is running into oil issues right now so I'm waiting to hear back.

 

Thanks! i cant wait to start tuning! I will def know after the street tune how these cams compare to my old crowers, but for solid results ill be taking it back to the same dynojet my old setup was dynoed on.

 

in for results. ive already decided im going this route!

 

Brody ran into some problems I dont know the full extent but I spoke with his tuner for a good bit and they are fighting some dip in the 5k range..but I'm thinking its the crappy header he has. I don't know his final numbers but I think he's at 180 something...I'm sure he'll make a thread cause the graph looks weird.

 

so the cams that you said would **** all over every cam out there is not making power? Sounds like you need to do less talking and more researching.

 

What are the cam specs? I have no idea what a Crower "Stage 2+" cam is....and people have even less information about these other cams.

 

Oh lord...

 

Right.. I believe it has to do with his dizzy going bad. He is also running a kamikaze header and something else that is creating the dip..they left from the tuner..drove the car on the street..and were absolutely amazed. A dyno is a tuning tool..the cfk sensor I think is going
Bad. He's running a obd2 dizzy in a obd0 car.. I suggested he switch to a obd1 dizzy.
He's going back to the track to get results vs the last time. I sent him a chip that would allow him to drive the car.. he gainned a good bit from the dyno tuning..so I'm excited
to see the new results.

People like you keep me motivated.

 

Obd1/Obd2 distributors, same difference. One has a fat single plug, the other has two plugs.

 

These guys are just doing a cam change and tune with no other changes? Were these issues there before the cam change? What was the baseline hp?

 

Just got off the phone with brody, i also talked to the tuner for a good bit..

Basically the setup is this.

Its a stock gsr, with ctr pistons, ITR head, stock manifold, kamazi header and some exhaust. There were no baseline numbers vs other cams, he didn't have any other cams, he ordered my stage 1's and went with that. I sent him a chip to start the car, and be able to drive it around and stuff and he made like 155 or something on the chip..
He got it tuned, dialed in, and he made lower 180's or something of that nature.

On the chip i sent him, he was trapping like 94mph i believe. So he's going back to the track next Friday, to see what he traps now. His dad and him, said he's a night and day difference..like..stupid fast. So if he's happy with it, now, then i can honestly say it was a good gain.. but we'll see when he goes back to the track.

The dyno i saw, was wavy, indicative of possible ign problems, like normal dynos show when there are ign problems..so I'm thinking something in the dizzy is going bad, or is not reading right.

 

I'm actually just throwing out ideas.

Wavey dynos are usually indicative of IGN problems.

Also i don't think any scaling or smoothing was done.


I've only seen dyno's act like this when it is a ign problem, or vtec is kicking on and off.

They stopped reving at around 8400rpms or so, but the tuner said, it didn't flaten, or drop, it just wanted to keep going up higher, but he didn't wanna rev it anymore.

 

well atleast your keeping intouch with your customer, when i got tuned after my cam swap i can honestly say i really didnt feel much of a difference at all, probably because it wasnt much or im just so use to the car who knows.

Hes got hightened compression and a different head so id assume hed feel it alot more power than i did.

ALLMOTOR with that kind of compression im guessing 12:1 but i could be a little off because im not the best just makin an assumption. Why only seeing upper 180s? header/exhaust combo holding back?

 

Before taking bashing the **** out of some guy, take into account the customers car, if his cam would whoop the **** out of the cam he had before and the customer takes it to the dyno with an oil pressure problem/headgasket problem or straight low compressiong, or ignition problems as hes stated is it ALL MOTORS fault **** no its the car.

Sounds like your bashing the **** out the guy and hell hes even popping in on the customers post giving you play by play **** i dont know anyone that does that

 

I'm about progression. I couldn't care less about dyno numbers honestly, i wanna see trap speeds. I'm not here to start any ****, but to find the reason why.

I already understand the fact that not all motors are going to do what tonio's did on cam comparisons. But, i do have faith in what I've put out.

 

Do you have pics of the cams you do, just out of curiousity or specs on it? ive just heard recently about your cams and know nothing about them

 

My professional opinion is this. The manifold is stock, and the header is basically a stock replica header, I mean a DC sports header would be better then what he has on there now.. and i dont know the exhaust piping size, so one can only assuming his induction system and header / exhaust setup is holding him back terriblely..

But again, on only 155, he trapped 94mph or so..so the dyno might be reading low..i dont know.

I always keep in touch with my customers, i even told brody and his dad, to swap in a stock set of cams, if the waves went away and he made better power, i'd fully refund his money. I'm in it, to learn what works and what does not.

The specs on these cams are as followed..
Int. Duration |Int. Lift |Exh. Duration |Exh. Lift
290 12.5mm 284 12.2mm

These are ideal for 1.6-1.8 setups, and mildly done 2.0 setups. Kept it close to stock center lines as possible as well.

According to my math, his CR should be around 12.5 to 12.7 , i'm sure mikey will chime in and clear up the compression issue, but i think i'm pretty close.

 

maybe it's the CTR pistons! j/k hahaha!
So you don't know what hp was made prior to putting your stage 1 cams in? Would you say that this dyno is not valid whether or not your cams made more power?

 

PM me, i dont want this thread closed, i'm trying to help both brody and andrew make more power

i posted in this thread because i wanted to understand why this car is acting this way..

I've yet to come to any conclusion that its the cams.. i think its something else.