Will somene please tell me if there are any major differences bwt the 2 up until just recently I had no idea there was a vti till I saw a pic of the seats with the red stitched crx vtec in them(awesome)... what engines did they come with factory??? from the front they look the same, Oh yea and did they produce ukdm versions til '92? I thought all were 88-91.

 

everywhere produced crx until 92, it was just the crxs that were left over...

both had b16s, 160 hp i believe.
same front ends
both were rhd
both had rear seats
both had power steering

Sir:
Glass top (not sure if all sirs had glass tops or if it was just an option)
front dome lights
leather bolster fabric center seats
240 kmh cluster (electric vss, 7.5k red line?)

VT:
red stitched door panels
red stitched full leather seats
abs (i think...)
150 mph cluster (mechanical speedo, like usdm crxs, has orange needles, 8k red line i think)

dont feel like thinking anymore, there are more diff/simil though.

 

It was an option. Not all SiR models had glasstops. (Some didn't even have power windows... but they are extremely rare)

Some JDM CR-Xs also had ABS as an option.

 

VT's i believe are the EE8 models. if so they were also LHD. i tend to get most of my parts for my crx from an EE8 model so it matches to what we have here

 

- EF7/8's (JDM) and EE8 (EDM) had the B16A however the EE8 had a slightly detuned ECU for a 150hp vs the JDM's 160.

- All EF7/8 were RHD where the EE8's came in either LHD or RHD depending on country. Most of Europe had the LHD EE8's where the UK had the RHD EE8's

- All Glass tops were EF7's and some had ZC instead of the B16A and were the only CRX to have the Maplight with the rear view mirror, the Bronze tinted glass and tan interiors.

- The UK VTi's were the only Leather wrapped seats that I have ever seen. I could be wrong...but all the leather seats with Vtec came from the EE8's
The EF7/8's had the CR-X on there seats where the EE8's had just CRX or Vtec. On a side note...the UK EE'8 also had leather door panels and black on black Dashes.

- Thats is correct. All 92 EF/EE/ED chassis CRX where just left over from 91. The official CRX throughout the whole was what we called the Delslow.

- Only the EDM CRX's had Glass Adjustable headlights...and it was to help with Europe's Fog.

- And finally some CRX's did come with ABS, but it was a very crappy system.

 

This is nice information.

 

The leather seats are a ee8 item, used in both the lhd and the rhd ee8's. They are not called VTi's, but VT's Just a small difference, but if you want it correct that's it.
With the leather seats also came the leather doorpanels and the upper piece of the dashboard was also wrapped with something looking like leather. I'm guessing it's vinyl or something.
The writing on the seats is CRX in large lettering with small vtec below it.


As for the adjustable headlights, in the Netherlands they were only placed in the ee8's, however I have seen german ed9's that also had them. Wether they are a optional item or placed by their owners i don't know.

The ee8 cluster redlines at 8k, but shows to 9,5k rpm. Speed on them gives as 240kph (I don't have miles :p ) but below the 240 is another white stripe indicating 250kph.


European ee8's came with the B16a1 with a rated with 150hp. As far as I know no EDM ee8 was delivered with lsd, atleast not in the Netherlands. Can't be sure about the UK.

 

Good info just a couple of small corrections, they are possibly typos on your part . All EF7s had a ZC motor just as all EF8s had a B16A and all EF6s had those single cam twin carb motors (no idea of the engine code, D15 something maybe?). Glass roof and sunroof were available on all the JDM models; EF6, EF7 and EF8 not just EF7s. I have seen some weird upholstery in EF6s like blue/grey tweed and the tan you mention, but most of the EF7s and EF8s in Australia seem to have the cloth (EF7) and cloth/vinyl (EF8) that is most common.

Do EE8s have the same vinyl back seat as EF8s?

 

Yes, they do. As do the EDM ed9's.
Was the cargo area like the usdm crx's also available in other country's? Have seen them in Europe but that was on usdm imports and not edm's.

 

Nope, not all had glass roofs, lots of EF8s had sunroofs like an Si, mine does, I've yet to ever see an EF7 with anything other than a glass roof though strangely.

No Power windows in an EF8? Never seen it before, never seen it on any JDM CR-X actually.

Glass tops were on EF6s, EF7s, and EF8s. All EF7s had DOHC ZCs. All Models had bronze tinted glass from what I've seen. Tan interior was only ever available in the '89 CR-X Exclusive. Limited production run of 200 or 250 of those I think?

The ABS System was very new at the time, I can't comment on how they work though, mine has it but doesn't work so I'm removing it eventually.

Good info. To elaborate on the EF6 a bit, they had quite a few different colors for the interiors and seats, they were base models but they ran many different editions. Style S, Style SII, Limited Edition, Limited Edition II, Exclusive, and then there was at least another one I can't remember, the one with blue fabric on the interior. Those mostly were the 1.5X but I've seen some EF6 without any special markings or the 1.5X marking. I had a bookmark with all kinds of ifo but lost it a while back.

 

I've only seen 3 and one set of door panels for sale on Yahoo Japan. I was lucky to grab the VIN from one of them and I entered it in the JDM Honda EPC and sure enough: no power windows...

Here's a pic:





EDIT: I've seen a couple people incorrectly attribute the camel interior with the EF6, but the Si Exclusive was actually an EF7.

 

SiR = electronic speed sensor and cluster
VTi = cable speed senror and cluster.

Depending on where your VTi cluster comes from will depend on MPH or KMPH being the main reading,UK =MPH outer ring of numbers and mainland Europe will be reversed with Kilometers being the main numbers.

 

Just another quick thought,JDM ecu's have speed limiter and I don't think EDM does,I know for sure UKDM does not.

 

Nice find! I wish I could get a hold of some at some point down the road. What's this JDM Honda EPC you mention? Electronic parts catalogue? I've wanting to look into finding myself a RHD manual steering rack, I know they exist, I just haven't looked into it yet.

I'm trying to get rid of all the power options on my EF8 as I restore it, to reduce weight since my goal is to also take it to track events.

 

The VTi would be a VT i'm guessing? There is no VTi from the EEx or EFx generation, those are called VT. If you don't believe me, go and ask on some European forums.
For the cluster, the UK has miles and kph, mainland Europe has no miles indicated. Take a look at my cluster. Once again, don't take my word for it as a European, go and join any European forum.

For differences between Sir and VT see http://www.civic4g.com/index.php/vtec (no VTi's mentioned there whatsoever.)

 

53040-SH3-N11 is the Honda part number for the manual rack. Looked it up for a 1990 EF8 with no ABS or Power Steering. (Also verified that it was NOT the same part number as my EF8 WITH power steering...) I'd check overseas and see who they use for rebuilt racks... if Fenco or Wagner makes them then you can contact Fenco North America and see if they can cross-reference the Honda part number and bring one in for you.

Let me know when/if you sell your power steering components... I've got spare power steering hoses on my wishlist. ;-)

EDIT: yes, it's the parts catalog.
EDIT 2: You *may* also need a new rear cross-member: 50200-SH3-N52

 

Wow, thanks so much! I'll have to take note of that. Now that really has me excited to get working on the car again

Not sure what I'll do with the powersteering stuff but I'll let you know what happens. I'd really like to convert to a manual rack, not only would I like the simplicity of it but my power steering pump is leaking bad.

 

lol Its cool ill take your word for it...I just got bad info from a site but you know what I ment. thanks for the advice sorry if I offend lol.

 

interesting....