This subject was originally posted in the all motors section. Was instructed to provide the information here.
Unfortunately, I had a bad business dealing with Bisimoto. After taking my 2000 Civic Si to the first mechanic after purchasing it, who was not a high performance shop, I took it to Bisi. Bisi told me that there was so much damage done to my vehicle by the first mechanic, that he would have to start all over again from scratch and rebuild it from the ground up. He said that he would document all the damage he found for me. After having the car for a month, and spending $1900.00 on his parts, he finally had his secretary call me to talk about the rebuild. This was done by E-mail. When I asked to see an itemized list of what the parts and labor would cost, and to document the agreement which Bisi and I had about documenting the damages to the engine, she E-mailed me back stating they couldn't help me anymore. I went down the next day to return the parts I had purchased. I bought the parts on the contengency that he would do the work. They wanted to charge me over $500.00 for storage fees and a 20% restocking fee. Those charges would have been valid had I changed my mind, but since they changed the agreement, I shouldn't have been held responsible. Also, in order to receive a restocking fee in any curcumstances, it has to state the restocking fee on the invoice. (As per Bureau of Automotive Repair). It didn't state it. Bisi was angry that I didn't drop $10,000 at his door step without asking questions. Before I pay $10,000 to anyone, I want a full explanation. I had already spent almost $2000 including a deposit for him to start working on my car. I know a lot of people like him here on this forum, but for me, he tried to rip me off. I have all the proof for anyone who wants to see it.

 

This post is in regards to the threads that were posted in the All motors section regarding Bisimoto headers. This is not to slander anyones name. This is just to clear my name, which Madmood tried to slander.
During the time I was posting information about the unfortunate experience that I had with Bisimoto, Madmood made allegations regarding me that were not true. He stated that I was going around So. Cal., from mechanic to mechanic. Getting work done by one, then going to another and making claims about the first, then working the second mechanic. These allegations are completely false. This never happened. He said that contacts of his were calling him regarding me commiting these allegations.
In my defense, I asked him to please disclose the names of these so called contacts that were making these allegations. He COULDN'T do it. He went on about this and that, but could not produce the information he claims I was commiting.
He was doing nothing more then trying to discredit my name so people would think the things I was trying to discribe regarding the experience I had with Bisi was untrue. If you look at the threads he posts, you will see 4 links at the bottom. One of them is for Bisimoto. Madmood is nothing more then a puppet for Bisi. My mechanic told me that Bisi has these puppets that troll around forums, looking for anyone who tries to tell the truth regarding Bisi and his equipment. Then his trolls bad mouth them and try to put Bisi in a good light. This is the same mechanic that produced Bisi's famous headers for 5 years. He stopped when Bisi felt he didn't have to pay him anymore. By the way, my mechanic said he would donate one of his headers for a head to head dyno against Bisi's. Now that's honest. If you want to compare Bisi's to anyone elses, you have to buy it. Something to think about.

 

i've heard mixed things. proof would be

 

PM me your E-mail, I will send the proof

 

No just post here for everyone and hopefully Bisi can shed light on this too.

 

Too much to post. PM your E-mail. If in turn you wish to post the information on this forum, you have my permission. Bisi also has the information. You may need his permission though to post the information on this forum. Certain privacy issues in involved.

 

Sir,
I will never understand why you continue to troll Bisimoto posts, and make up stories about me, my staff, supporters and company.

You should know better, as we treated you with honor and respect. The truth is that my staff and I felt very uncomfortable about your behavior around your project, and opted to deline working on your car. Despite your need to go back to your job, immediately, we recieved two reports within a couple of hours from two local shops that you went to with the same story you shared with us.

One facility, Rated R in Ontario, and another in Upland.

In addition, your "story" about a mechanic that makes our headers is quite bogus.::sigh::

Madmood is a great guy and has had excellent experiences with us, as have thousands of enthusiasts worldwide. If you were upset that we declined to work on your vehicle, we are sorry, but we have the right to refuse service, especially when our staff feels uncomfortable with a customer's behavior.

I wish you the best, nonetheless, and hope that whatever is really bothering you comes to an end, soon. Take care, Rick.

 

Every word I have stated is true, and you know it. The problem I have with you and your staff is my car being sat on for three weeks, then you refusing to do the job because I wouldn't drop $10,000 at your door without asking questions. Then you trying to charge me $500 for nothing. By the way, who is R Rated? Who did you talk to there. What shop are you refering to in Upland? Who did you suppposedly talk to there? Just like your troll Don Moody, if your going to throw accusations around, you better have the information. By the way, Bureau of Automotive Repair is very interested in you trying to charge restocking fees without a disclosure on the invoices. ::sigh:: if your going to tell stories, have the information to back it up.

 

By the way Bisi, almost forgot, you give me permission to post the proof that I have on this forum, then it will be posted. Here's your chance for the truth to be known. Of course if you don't, then it will be interpeted as an admission of guilt. Something to think about.

 

that doesn't make any sense. this forum is for people to figure things out, not to send items around behind everyone's back. that is the whole reason it was made in the first place. put it out in public or don't talk about it here. i honestly don't think bisi isn't going to come in here with what you posted. i wouldn't - it sounds like sour grapes given the sketchy details and story that doesn't flow very well. right now it makes no sense, so please help clarify things or i'll get rid of this thread.

 

It's a legal liability issue. Not really that hard to figure out. I already proposed a solution. Bisi posts a thread here, giving permission for the information to be posted, and I will post all the information. I'm not trying to hide anything. Or go behind anyones back. I'm trying to shed light on the truth. If Bisi has nothing to hide, then he will post the permission. His lack of response speaks volumes. If you wish to see the proof, PM me your E-mail. I have already sent the information to several members.

 

this sucks man...id like to see the proof. n good luck with your situation

 

O.K. It's been two days now and still no response from Bisi to give permission for the proof to be posted. Don't you think an innocent person would be eager to show the proof and prove the other person wrong. Something to think about. Also, he still hasn't answered my question. Who the hell is R-rated. I know not, nor have any affiliation with any company with that name. If I did, there would be paper work proof. Maybe that's his sister shop he tried to pawn off on me. Also, he hasn't stated the name of the so called company he talked about located in Upland. His actions have clearly shown that every word I have stated is true. I have E-mailed the proof to half a dozen members already on this forum. PM me your E-mail and you too will experience the joy of enlightenment.

 

why do you need Bisi's permission?

post it up for everyone to see....that is the purpose of this section!

 

seriously, post up. omit any personal information if thats the issue

 

how ironic.

if you don't post something of worth i'm going to delete this thread.

 

Since your the Moderator, PM me your E-mail address, and I will send you the information. Then you can post it and and assume the responsibility and liability. This will insulate me and put the responsibility on your shoulders. My only objective of starting this post was to help others not to be taken advantage of as I was. As a Moderator, I would think your job is to protect the members of this forum. There is nothing ironic about this situation. The proof is there. I have sent it to half a dozen of other members here. If you are really interested in the proof, PM me your E-mail. If not, then do what you think is right.

 

Talk to an attorney. He will explain why I need his permission. As I stated before, PM me your E-mail address. Then you can post all the information and assume the responsibility.

 

no.

post SOMETHING OF SUBSTANCE or this thread is useless. it is complete hearsay right now and that is not why we created this sub-forum. what you are saying makes no sense. scan whatever you have and edit out sensitive information. do something other than troll bisi with hearsay. we won't believe otherwise until proof is shown. not to me or johnny or sue via PM, but on this forum.

something needs to be done or i'm removing this thread. this is ridiculous.

 

Your correct. This is ridiculous. Johnny or sue??? Look, I'm not leaving my self liable. If you want to post it, great. I told you the terms. Like I said before, you do what you think is right. If you think you serving your members in a responsible way, then so be it. It's funny though how you will not take the initiative and PM me so you can post it. It would only take 5 minute. Oh well, I guess **** happens.

 

A legal associate has instructed me how to make the infromation available to everyone without resulting in a liability issue. All the proof and information will be available through links to my photobucket account. It would take forever to explain why, but it will insulate me from any liability. It will take a little bit of time though. There is quite a bit of information. It will need to be changed to a jpeg or pdf file. It should be up tonight or tomorrow morning at the latest. That's PDT. The members who have already received the information through E-mail, are welcome to post it earlier if they wish. I promised their names would be kept confidential. So it's up to them if they want to post what they received. There is a statement in each E-mail stating that each E-mail is the property of Bisimoto, and that local laws apply. That's why I can't post them on this forum directly without Bisi's permission. By making them available on photobucket, it will circumvent that situation. Had to check before doing so.

 

this man is telling the truth

 

As promised, here is the information and proof of what I have stated. This took quite a bit of work. Normally, I wouldn't have put this much effort into a non-work related situation. But after being accused of trolling, producing hearsay, and a number of other things, I felt compelled. I joined this forum to find information to help with the build of my civic. Didn't know Bisimoto advertised here. When I found out he does, I felt compelled to diclose the experience I had with his company. Not to slander, but to inform so no one else would fall into his traps and sceams.

The following is the proof and information. Pay attention to the dates and times of each E-mail. Follow the time line. There is redundncy in the line of E-mails. That is to preserve the time line and integrity of the entire E-mail conversation.


1st set:

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2nd set:

http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/...e-mail-001.jpg
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3rd set:

http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/...e-mail-001.jpg
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4th set:

http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/...e-mail-001.jpg
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When you open a link, go to full page and click on 200% on your tool bar.

 

Here are the invoices. If you look at the first one, there is nothing stating a restocking fee of any amount. If you look at the second one, it looks like he was doing me a favor. He puts down that he is refunding the restocking fee and the strorage fee. Remember, he is the one who changed his mind, not me. I sat in front of his so called shop for 1 hour for the return of my money or the parts I paid for. He had the parts I bought from him. When I first arrived at his shop that day, he wanted $500 for storage and restocking fees. I told him to forget it. Give me my parts back and I will see you in court. After waiting 1 hour, I told his secretary, if I don't receive my money or my parts in 5 minutes, I will call the police. He then came out and gave me my money. I figure him and Hedi, his girl friend, were looking over the original invoice and saw they broke the law. There was no disclosure of a restocking fee. If he had followed the law, do you really think he would have given my money back. He is all about the money. Beware of doing business with this guy.

http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/...invoice001.jpg

http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/...voiceII001.jpg


When you open a link, go to full page and click on 200% on your tool bar.

 

I know what you mean Mike. Just got my civic back last week. 203 whp and 165 wtq. Not a race car, but it is exactly what I wanted to get me up the mountains. Took it to Whitfield racing. He did it right for $3000 less then what the crook who tried to screw me wanted. It doesn't matter that he changed his mind after having my car sit at his supposed shop for over two weeks, every mechanic has that option. What pissed me off is he tried to charge me over $500 for nothing. Restocking fees and storage after he changed his mind. I was coming down the next day with another $7000. He is one of the most unprofessional persons I have ever met. By the way, now that I have provided my proof, now it's his turn to provide the proof of the things he was accusing me of. Again, who is R-rated and what proof does he have of me doing any business with them. What company was he talking about located in Upland. O.K. Bisi, man up. It's your turn to put your money were your mouth is. He can't, his claims of what he accused me of are totally unfounded.