Ok i have my timing belts on (not my PS and alternator belts though). I replaced the water pump and all that jazz. and I have ALL my marks lined up. and I fired it up and it sounds a little off time. so long story short. i moved the timing belt 1-2-3 & 4 teeth over in both directions on the cam gear (i done this twice) and so far with the timing belt at tdc it sounds the best BUT it still sounds a little off to me. what could cause this?

could it sound a little off if :
1. the front of my car is about a foot off the ground on jack stands?
2. my PS and altenator belts are off.
3. my timing cover and driver side wheel is off
4. if my rear balance shaft is off time? i only ask because i found TWO spots where i could get a screwdriver all the way through in the mantenance hole. and im not sure which position is correct.

p.s. i checked my spark plugs and they are all fine

Heres the car specs
95 Accord DX
F22B2 engine

thanks to anyone in advance!

 

You should align the timing marks and install the belt correctly. Check your ignition timing and adjust as necessary.

As far as your noise concern goes, do the above suggestions and look at other possibilities for solutions to your problem. The timing is either correct or it isn't.

 

So how are you going to check the base ignition timing if the cover is off'?

 

i havent put the cover back on because i been moving the timing belt around a lot .

ist the the mark on the cover just a TDC mark? or am i mis understanding something. because i have the crank and cam pully at TDC according to the marks on the block.

or is the mark on the block for the balancer belt and the mark on the cover for the timing belt?

 

the mark on the block at the crank is for both timing belt and balancer belt.

 

what is the mark on the cover for?

thanks for the guide by the way it helped a lot!. im just stuck right now because i suck haha.

(edit) ok i figured out what its for................ and i dont have a timing light.

can i just rotate the distributor till it sounds right?

 

The mark on the cover is for setting the ignition timing. It's purpose is so you don't have to remove the cover to look at the marks on the engine block. The white mark shows TDC cylinder 1.

 

i guess i will try a few things then.

1. move the distributor a round.

if it still sounds weird then i guess ill restart from step one......... for the 6th time.

 

Why did you replace your Timing belt? Standard maintenance, or did it break at speeds?

 

it broke on the highway. all of a sudden my car quit getting gas. so i coasted for a while because my breaks weren't really working either and I opened my hood and BAM!
there it wasnt. the belt had broken or slipped off and was shredded and twisted around the crank gear like a cinnamon roll.

apparently when i had my motor swapped in. the shop did NOT put any new belts on. it hasnt even been a full year and the timing belt broke. and the other belts where cracked (i replaced the PS and alternator belts about a year ago when i noticed the ones on my new motor where cracking ).

 

So what about the head? Now that you have explained it, Id say 99.99% of your problem will all be under the valve cover within the valve train.
I am NOT saying that you are wrong/right with your timing adjustments, but at highway speeds your sure to F* ^ a few valves.
Inspect valves carefully and let us know.

 

messed up valvetrain usually occurs on dual cams, not single. If the car started and just sounds like its off than yeah its timing. If he started the car and the head was making a bunch of clicking and knocking, then I could see thinking it was bent valves. Doesn't really matter how fast he was going on the highway, it matters what the rpms were at during the t-belt break. So are you 99.99% sure now w/ all your nonsense?

 

I called my local shop and they said an F22B2 is a NON interference engine. so i should be good.

the shop also first quoted me $300 dollars to put the new timing belts on. ok

then i called em the next day and they quoted me a higher price of $800 dollars for the job wtf?

so thats when i decided to do it myself. so far ive spent about $140. Now if i could just get the damn thing to sound right haha.

 

You can inspect for bent valves. When valves bend, valve clearance is increased. If you find valves that are severely out of spec ( loose ) there is a good chance the valve is bent. If you perform a leakdown test and find severe leakage combined with severely loose valves the likelyhood that the valves in question are bent is exceptionally high.

Trying to diagnose a problem based soley on how the car sounds is going to be questionable at best.

 

Please dude just STFU Has NOT A SINGLE THING TO DO WITH DOHC and/or SOHC. I have the same FN engine as OP and I just went through the SAME FN thing 3months ago! And(theres a thread somewhere) guess what, I had 3 bent valves cruising about 70 on highway at 2,700rpm.
Hondas ARE INTERFERENCE ENGINES.. The MOST COMMON problem associated with timing belt break are bent valves..
There is only so much you can do with timing, sounds like OP has done everything in HER power to adjust and still comes up without a solution. So excuse me for giving USEFUL info while you spew shyte from the end of your finger tips.
Most NON-interference engines are v6/v8 or lower compresion turbo`d vehicles, trucks.
By the way, OP is Female.

 

Youre wrong. Completely. A single cam engine is just as likely to bend the valves as a dual cam if the belt breaks. There is no inherent safety margin provided for a single cam engine. I have repaired dozens of single cam engines over the last decade due to the belts breaking.


It should also be noted that the F22B2 engine IS an interference engine, and I would venture to say that if the OP's marks are lined up and all else is correct, then he likely has bent valves. Especially due to the belt breaking at highway speeds.

 

I was just second guessing myself thinking my knowledge of Hondas over almost 10years was surly wrong because this `11 said I was.. Thanks for bringing me back to reality..

The dude prolly wont post again cause he got pwned.
OP check valves and respond.

 

i want to try a few more things before i check the valves because i think its just a timing problem. i dont hear any odd clanky sounds its just idling in doubles ....if that makes sense. it doesnt sound fluent

p.s. im not a her

 

Can you explain where you got this information from?

 

Thats fine with me, its not difficult to check the valves if you have gone as far to change a timing belt valve check is cake. Not really any reason to wait.
I was honestly under the impression that you haz a vag. Maybe it was the SN I dunno. Do you race grannys? Just wandering... My grannys Buick would smoke your Accord.
lol, im not kidding.

 

im a man and can admit when im wrong, when my belt snapped on my old z6 the honda parts dealer i spoke to said nearly all single cam honda motors are non interferance motors. I didn't bend any valves. If im wrong im wrong, not sweating it. Its all good. But from what the op is describing seems like timing is still off. But maybe not. If there were bent valves wouldn't doing a leakdown pin-point what valves did get bent?


just wanted to help the op, and i apologize for coming off as a bastard

 

Hey! Now that's good advice!

 

Why don't you just set the marks right and check compression? It only takes five minutes and you'll know if the valves are bent or not. That will clear up all the arguing in this thread.

 

Here's what i would do in your situation. First i would put all your timing marks
where they go. Then reassemble using all of you tb covers. Get yourself a
timing light and jump the ecu timing advance its under your glove box "little
blue connector with two pins". Then check your timing. Adjust as needed. then
you'll be better prepared to trouble shoot any other potential problems. Such
as bent valve's and such. Good luck and hope you get it right soon.

 

You will not neccesarily hear any odd noises. However your car may idle low, be low on power and or may sound like a Subaru.
Good job man. Lotta douche bags would have handle this diffrently. No one can be right all the time, and sometimes misinfo steers us wrong. Especially info found on the web...