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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 10:03 AM
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Default Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

here is my latest alignment results

pictures of the car:
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car is a 2001 integra ls coupe with 195/55/15 enkei rpf1 15x7 35 offset. i have about 1 finger gap front and back and my car rubs on some turns.

i want to add some camber to help with the rubbing and looks. if i add say camber to about -1 to -1.5 in all corners, how will it affect toe...will it be more negative or positive?? i dont want to go to an alignment shop to do it because it cost a lot of money, so i will do it myself only if toe will stay in spec.
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 10:09 AM
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Toe changes with camber. That is why toe is always adjusted last during an alignment.

Just bite the bullet and get the car aligned after you're completely done screwing with it.

You wouldn't be having this issue if you had skipped the camber kit to begin with...
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 10:21 AM
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Default Re: Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

i'm not sure why your camber was so far off from left to right to begin with.
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 11:06 AM
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Default Re: Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

Originally Posted by kyden
i'm not sure why your camber was so far off from left to right to begin with.
Because he has an adjustable camber kit and they weren't set the same to begin with, or the chassis is tweaked. Could be either or both (quite likely).

If you add negative camber up front, the tires will toe in (positive toe). I want to say the rear will toe out more (negative toe) with increased negative camber, but I'm not sure on that one.

So yes, you absolutely would need an alignment... preferably you need to get both camber and toe dialed in while on the alignment rack.
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 11:35 AM
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Default Re: Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

the before camber measurement was on stock camber kit...dont know why its so off from left to the right. And im not sure why toe is so horrible off too, because before this "before" measurement, i had the alignment shop set toe to 0 at all corners. the before alignment and current were done at different alignment shops.

i have skunk2 pro series and spc rear camber kit for this "current" alignment.

should i just deal with the rubbing until these tires are worn? they will probably be worn in another 30-40k miles since it seems to be wearing super slow and they look new with 12k miles on them.

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Because he has an adjustable camber kit and they weren't set the same to begin with, or the chassis is tweaked. Could be either or both (quite likely).

If you add negative camber up front, the tires will toe in (positive toe). I want to say the rear will toe out more (negative toe) with increased negative camber, but I'm not sure on that one.

So yes, you absolutely would need an alignment... preferably you need to get both camber and toe dialed in while on the alignment rack.
thanks.

tunernoob...i wish i had decided to buy these wheels before i got this alignment. this alignment was done 2-3 months ago and i bought and mounted the rpf1 2 weeks ago.
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 11:40 AM
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Default Re: Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

What bushings do you have? Alignment readings are always going to be slightly different every time you get on the rack. This will be more so the case if the bushings are old and worn.
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 03:49 PM
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Default Re: Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

oem bushings, i inspected and they look very good still. 112k miles
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 06:28 PM
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Default Re: Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

your toe will need to be corrected for that amount of camber change. its always a good idea to check the toe after any ride height or camber change.

with your cross camber and that many miles, im doubting all your bushings are in good condition.
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Old Apr 16, 2011 | 12:36 PM
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Default Re: Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

I dont trust those alignment machines farther than I can throw them. Strings and my longacre camber gage FTW!!!
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Old Apr 18, 2011 | 11:26 AM
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Default Re: Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

ive measured my longacre measurements to a hunter laser system at Firestone and it was within the tolerance of reading a measuring tape.

i trust both.

of course, its not just how sharp the tool is, but the user too.
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Default Re: Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

I've often wondered if and how those laser alignment racks are calibrated, or if they need or can be calibrated.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 10:10 AM
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Default Re: Want to add some camber, how will it affect toe?

okay so i ghetto fixed my rubbing issue. i removed the front top fender liner clip. my car rubs A LOT less now. it only rubs on very hard and fast right turns. im just going to leave my car alone until i need new tires. thanks for all your help

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