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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 07:43 AM
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Does anyone use E85 in your NA EF? Do you get positive results over 87 89 91 or 93? What's the gas millage to power comparison based on what you have used? Oh has anyone heard of a HHO Generator? <--- this one is more of just wondering but the others are serious.
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 08:38 AM
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I want to see what people say because I'm thinking about doing the same thing...... Going to do wahlbro 255, 1600cc injectors, aem fpr and rail
Hopefully to see some significant gains

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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 12:15 PM
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i'm stock for the most part I have D16A6 MPFI swap header and cat back skunk2 exhaust running OBD0 With a chipped PM6 Ecu
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 02:32 PM
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I don't think E85 is worth using if you're not over 13.0:1 compression. Your fuel mileage will significantly decrease.
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 04:33 PM
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Will it still run in a stock car tho.
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by d15b7inEF
Will it still run in a stock car tho.
Yes.
With extensive tuning and 30-40% larger injectors.
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Old Apr 12, 2011 | 05:12 PM
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ok I see I see I never really understood E85 as far as octane levels and sorts.
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 07:11 AM
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Star-Tron Enzyme imo

google it.
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 08:24 AM
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Are you guys seriously considering running E85 in an N/A EF??


Wow. Honda guys are amazing.
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 10:04 AM
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No I wasn't. I heard a guy over talking at the gas station about putting e85 in a like tauras or something. I never understood E85 but I didnt know if it was possible. I just substituted my car in for the tauras. So that way it would fit into this forum.
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 10:06 AM
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i normally use 91 or 93 in my car and get anywhere from 32 thru 36 MPG
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 10:09 AM
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Default Re: E85 in a NA EF

Originally Posted by Broodwich
Star-Tron Enzyme imo

google it.
Basically dry gas which I use in the winter time when im in NY
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 10:45 AM
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its cheap but not worth it imo
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by d15b7inEF
No I wasn't. I heard a guy over talking at the gas station about putting e85 in a like tauras or something. I never understood E85 but I didnt know if it was possible. I just substituted my car in for the tauras. So that way it would fit into this forum.
So you'll believe anything somebody at the gas station tells you? Probably what he meant is his car is flex-fuel. Lot of newer cars are. Gives you the option to use E85 if you please. It's stupid to give your N/A setup E85. If you want E85 that bad you're going to want to throw a snail on there.
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 10:51 AM
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85 is just cheaper than conventional petrol. mileage will decrease by like 20%. so in the long run u would be better off running pump gas. because there arent alot of stations who carry e85..atleast here in cali
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by d15b7inEF
Basically dry gas which I use in the winter time when im in NY
it's far better than dry gas.

btw E85 will work but it's not recommended in older vehicles, you'll prolly see worse gas mileage and most likely gain some engine issues.
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 01:36 PM
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Engine issues. I can haz?
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Originally Posted by d15b7inEF
No I wasn't. I heard a guy over talking at the gas station about putting e85 in a like tauras or something. I never understood E85 but I didnt know if it was possible. I just substituted my car in for the tauras. So that way it would fit into this forum.
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Originally Posted by d15b7inEF
i normally use 91 or 93 in my car and get anywhere from 32 thru 36 MPG
Higher octane in a piece of **** Civic isnt going to increase MPG's bro, its all in your head. My car is a piece of **** so it gets 87 octane like the Honda engineers intended for it to get.
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Originally Posted by Arthas
Are you guys seriously considering running E85 in an N/A EF??


Wow. Honda guys are amazing.
What's wrong with running E85 in an N/A EF?

Originally Posted by 94preludeguy
It's stupid to give your N/A setup E85.
orly?
Why is that?
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Old Apr 13, 2011 | 03:44 PM
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e85 only works efficiently(power increase wise) in boosted(high boost too, like over 20-25psi, ask any DSMer, evo or STI owner) and high compression motors.

in regular motors there will be little to no power increase and it will cost more to run. the only reason to run it is if you're a tree huger.


if you want to decrease your operating cost go with LPG or maybe hydrogen hybrid(i still haven't talked to anybody that has experience with it so IDK)
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 06:21 AM
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ethanol is real good stuff. but our motors WHERE NOT BUILT FOR IT period>>>

ide just use regular gas unless its been raining that day ide go with 91 or 93.

a lot of people say OMGZORSKLOL use 87 only but that is crap.

its all unleaded & wile 87 might combust better than 93. 93 will clean your injectors out and defoul your engine, as long as it is used to the point where it doesnt foul your engine.

i use regular personally and if i run really low i put a couple gallon of hi grade gas in & then fill with regular. let idle for a minute and ZOOOOOOM down the road.

dont use ethanol i mean my gas milage has went down about 2mpg since they started putting the manditory 10% in all gas.

boat gas DOESNT have ethanol.. its like 99 octane. but its a lil much for daily driving
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by blue91EF
ethanol is real good stuff. but our motors WHERE NOT BUILT FOR IT period>>>

ide just use regular gas unless its been raining that day ide go with 91 or 93.

a lot of people say OMGZORSKLOL use 87 only but that is crap.

its all unleaded & wile 87 might combust better than 93. 93 will clean your injectors out and defoul your engine, as long as it is used to the point where it doesnt foul your engine.

i use regular personally and if i run really low i put a couple gallon of hi grade gas in & then fill with regular. let idle for a minute and ZOOOOOOM down the road.

dont use ethanol i mean my gas milage has went down about 2mpg since they started putting the manditory 10% in all gas.

boat gas DOESNT have ethanol.. its like 99 octane. but its a lil much for daily driving
Thanks for a good answer Blue91ef

HAHA God I didn't relize I would stir up the HT pot so much just asking a simple question.

I use 91 in my car 95% of the time because it just runs better obviously all cars are different. Some cars are going to run better on 87 and some on other grades of gas. Some places like Southern States here in KY adds no ethonal to there gas as of now so if I can buy there I will. I have seen cars that drag use E85 as an alternative for race gas.

My question wasn't hey I'm going to put e85 in my car but otherwise what allows some cars to use e85 and be efficient and others to not be. The car at the car station was not a flex fuel car but I believe he was making a joke about the gas prices. Like "If the prices keep going up then I'm going to use that E85 stuff"

I always love how Honda Tech is so fast to lash out at a simple question. Honda tech has great information but man some people just can't answer the question?

Anyways I think its funny. No big deal just wondering if anyone has ever tried it?
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by minimotos95
e85 only works efficiently(power increase wise) in boosted(high boost too, like over 20-25psi, ask any DSMer, evo or STI owner) and high compression motors.

in regular motors there will be little to no power increase and it will cost more to run. the only reason to run it is if you're a tree huger.


if you want to decrease your operating cost go with LPG or maybe hydrogen hybrid(i still haven't talked to anybody that has experience with it so IDK)
Exactly!!! hahahah

I bet these guys think theyre gonna make the same power numbers as a built and tuned evo cuz theyre running E85 in their D16 EF's LOL.
Originally Posted by blue91EF
ide just use regular gas unless its been raining that day ide go with 91 or 93.

its all unleaded & wile 87 might combust better than 93. 93 will clean your injectors out and defoul your engine, as long as it is used to the point where it doesnt foul your engine.

i use regular personally and if i run really low i put a couple gallon of hi grade gas in & then fill with regular. let idle for a minute and ZOOOOOOM down the road.


Thanks for the sig dumbass.
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 03:46 PM
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with e85 u get an extra molecule of oxygen (cant complain with getting more air in to the motor)so you will see some improvement but on a mostly stock motor the gains will be slim
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 05:03 PM
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It isn't a stupid question. Running 93 octane in a stock EF is stupid. I am considering running E85 on my 11:1 compression mini me. E85 is way cheaper than premium, locally available, and can be used with stock injectors and mostly stock fuel components. Your mileage also doesn't have to be terrible as E85 can be tuned very lean when cruising.
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