and some for the race car as well need the 8mm version... anyone..

 

i got my NGKs from http://www.inlinefour.com

 

Yeah they have them but I would doubt even their expensive ones are as good as MSD.

I had the regular NGK blue 8mm and they were not bad but not really better than stock either.

 

I'm under the impression that stock wires are the best, as far as quality goes and that Magnecore might be a little better in performance.

I've been thinking about getting some NGK's, but the last few times I've bought plugs all the electrodes are a little off center and that just bugs the **** out of me...what the hell is up with that? quality control, anyone? is it possible it's something to do with the v-power?

 

Well too me,the 8.5mm MSD sucked,lasted about 1 1/2 years before they fell apart,theyre fit wasnt all that good either,i went back to my trusted blue NGKs,i love em...i got em from summit racing,like 40 something bucks.

 

NGK is the maker of stock honda spark plug wires. Stock wires work awesome as well as NGK's. Seen 17hp increase from pulling off a set of MSD wires and going to NGK's. Also on our own car, we were running accel's and the car started to miss a little on the top. Plug stock spark plug wires on and it cleaned right up.

 

my plug wires fit soooo nice too. the ngk ones are great. my friends magnecores were not staying on, they kept popping out. ngk wires seal so nice and work great. that nice blue color doesnt hurt either.

 

i also have the blue 8mm NGK's , However, I checked their resistivity, it was much less than stock. So in a way they should be better.

 

I haven't checked them against stock because I threw out the stock wires a week after I bought the car just because they were tiny pieces of garbage. To each his own, but I have been using MSD 8.5's for years on all my cars and I swear by them. If you were having problems with them then it was a fluke. The only problem I have with them is fitment. The lengths are not perfect, but I'll take the extra hour to trim them perfect, no biggie.

Magnecore....IMO they suck. They are very expensive, perform poorly, fit even worse, and they are all aound a bad wire. I guess they stay in business because of first time buyers and the shops telling them they are good wires.

Let me grab the ohm meter and I'll be right back....

Accel 8.8mm: 5.8k ohms
NGK 8mm: 3.6k ohms
MSD 8mm (Helicore, blue): 1.5k ohms
MSD 8.5mm (Super Conductor, red): 0.2k ohms
Honda (Speaker Wires, approx 22 awg): 0.0 ohms

I think the results speak for themselves. Obviously, using a wire with less resistance is not going to give you 5 billion horsepower, but they are important. The results from the Accel wire does surprise me, because they do make some good stuff, but the only time I've used their wires was on an old Dodge 360 small block and those were solid core...not real street friendly!

Why do Japanese racers all use NGK wires? Because they're made in Japan! You don't see them driving Chevys around Okinawa or anything. It's a political thing. Use NGK wires, or die.

I WOULD like it if somebody could post results from the bad boy NGKs and from stock Honda wires, as well as any other of the famous Japanese wires out there. I wouldn't mind seeing those dork *** Nology wires tested either, although I know resistance isn't what makes them "special".


NOTE: Resistance is measured PER FOOT. These wires were all approx a foot, with the Accel being the longest and the NGK the shortest. So technically the NGK should have done worse and the Accel better, but not by enough to throw off the results since there is such a wide gap between the different wires.




[Modified by Hatchblack, 3:37 PM 9/29/2002]

 

TTT So everyone can see how good MSD is

 

so you telling me the msd works so well. hmmm interesting..

 

Yeah man. Like I said, resistance is not THAT big of a deal but MSD have always been the best in that dept and I bet they are cheaper than th "badass" version NGK wires.

 

Resistance isn't everything. We had a sales rep from Ractive try to sell us some wires. They had a display set up with a plug and you could put any wire on it. With their wires the spark was huge and any other wire we put on it was weak looking in comparison. So, we tried a set. Weird **** happend man. The rpm signal wouldn't work right on the dyno. When we tried to check the timing, the timing gun wouldn't read right. When we tried to make a pull everything was fine and all the sudden around 5500rpm the whole car just shut off. We thought a ground came undone or something so we checked everything out and tried again. Same thing. The wires were interfering with the dfi! We put back the magnacore wires and everything worked fine. Dyno, timing light, and the car. We later tested the resistance on the Ractive wires....0. That's right 0 resistane. Anyone can make a wire with 0 resistance, that's not hard, but you have to think about rf interference. We have used magnecore wires since we started racing 4 years ago and haven't had any problems.


[Modified by tony1, 8:19 PM 9/29/2002]

 

Hehe Ractive eh....naughty Jotech you guys should know better!!

If you guys thing Magnecore is good you should try MSD!

 

Gotta try everything to know what's best right? I've tried msd's and although I never had any problems, I didn't see any gains over the magnecor.

 

You got that right...try them all!

MSD makes (or made) a display box that lets you hook up like 8 different wires and lets you compare the the resistance on them. I remember when Super Shops where my buddy was a manager first got it and the MSD 8.5mm was so much lower than the others we didn't believe it (those were my Accel sold core days).

It had Magnecore, Taylor, Mallory, Accel, Moroso, and some others on it. We swapped all the wires around and the MSD still performed the same (the MSD wire came mounted away from the other wires if I remember right so we were suspicious). Then we put the ohm meter on them and confirmed the results.

Of course, what's even cooler is the MSD 6 series ignition display. You can turn a *** that simulates a motor's RPMs. You can watch the multiple sparks up to 3000 and the big spark after that. One day there was a massive roach in the store and we snagged it by the wings with some pliers. We held it between the two contacts on the diplay and cranked the RPMs all the way up. Wow, that bug really fried and smelled nasty!

 

I guess this is the kind of stuff that happens when business gets slow. That's funny!!

 

Just checked two P30 honda wires for reference, cut each one to a foot and measured both to get an average, one measured 5.06k ohms and the other 5.02k ohms. FYI, the P30 is the B16, B18A/B, etc.. factory wire. I'm really not sure of the mileage on these wires though, so that may have a bearing on the results, but I'm assuming around 30k if I remember correctly.

 

hmm, intresting

 

hey i used to work at Super Shops! i was hired cause i was the only import guy there, they didnt know **** about em back then. they called my car the "crack gerbil" lol, anyhow my boss used to use that MSD 6A display to light his cigs, no lie! funny ****...

 

I can't really agree about the wires, but that is some funny ****! (remembering crazy **** I've done working at autoparts stores...one sold pellet guns as a promotion!...bad idea...)

Anyway, I'm not sure that resistance is what really matters. Obviously the ractives with 0 resistance sucked ***, and a wire with infinite resistance (open air, let's say) would give you no spark, so there is an optimum point in between there. But where is this point? Any E&M guys wanna throw an equation out?

EDIT: I just looked on inlinefour.com and the 8mm NGK wires are over $177!!!! is it me or is that jacked?


[Modified by ion_four, 9:44 AM 9/30/2002]

 

my msd wires were terrible. when i w =as gettig my car inspected they couldn't even get an rpm reading from all the interference. then i noticed marks where they were arcing. the car had been running crappy from all this as well. back to stock wires, ran much better. i have also had no problems with magnecore, but i think i am going back to stock.

 

magnecore i never had a problem either on the race car. always used it but i cant find anyone with them in stock.. so i gave up that debacle and went on search for ngk plugs wires which i hear are just as good as stock the MSD i saw at autozone the other day cut and fit for pretty cheap 69.99

so i am not sure what to go with .

 

Ion-you're looking at the fancy *** wires, which I assume are more like the 8.5mm super conductors from MSD.


Downpipe-something must have damaged your wires-maybe they were rubbing the bottom of your hood too long. MSD wires are so well insulated they are the last wires in the world that should arc. You do need to use wire seperators or something to keep them from rubbing the hood.

Viren...call Speedtek in Hurst. 817-282-0042 they probably have the MSD wires you need in stock.

Just to clarify guys, I have no reason to endorse MSD wires other than for the fact that they work awesome and I want everybody here to have the best.

 

who knows, maybe i just got a bad batch? if there was one i would get them, that is my luck. and this was a few years ago at this point.

i am fairly sure that my car was possesed by a demon, though. i think it caused many problems. i think it lived in the ecu and worked its evil out through there.

i am hoping that when it's back together, with a different ecu and an excorcism there won't be any more problems.