Car: 1999 Civic EX 2DR
Subframe: 96' GS-R 3DR
LCA & Forks: DC / EG (unsure exactly)

Everything bolted up, but now I have some serious positive camber ( like \ ), making the car pretty much impossible to drive. I have OEM suspension so I don't get any help with positive camber since I'm not dropped. What gives? I thought K-series guys do this subframe swap all the time. Are EG / DC LCAs too short or does this straight up not work? I'd hate to swap all the old **** back on...

 

anyone?

 

Tie rod ends?

 

tie rods control toe in and out, not camber

 

Gonna ask a stupid question but are you sure you have the right combination of parts?

 

Subframe: 96' Integra
Front LCAs: 00' Integra
Front Forks: 00' Integra
Knuckle: OEM (99' Civic)

All of this onto a 99' Civic...

I do have OEM suspension, so maybe everyone that does this is lowered and the negative camber offsets this positive camber?

 

anyone?

 

need to get this car back on the road!

 

Buy a front and rear camber kit, it solves your problem...it could be that the integra sits lower than an EK civic, therefore its subframe attempts to offset the lowered position by giving a more positive offset

 

If the car is lowered it will develop a negative camber, therefore an integra which sits slightly lower than an EK civic...will naturally have a more positive camber because the integra sits lower

 

That is noithing more than a band aid fix, and a complete hack!

OP, do you have pics?

I am having a hard time understanding how a stock car has postive camber after this. I have never heard of this happening.. I even tried looking around and couldn't find anything.

The EK lca's didn't work? What happened with that?

 

It's dark out right now, but I'll try to snap some pictures in the morning. It's not extreme positive camber like \, but it's definitely something that will make you look twice at the car.

I had Si LCAs, which are beefier than the other EK LCAs and caused clearance issues against the subframe near the compliance bushings. Also, more importantly the bolt that connects the LCA and subframe is 12x() on the Integra frame and 14x() on the Civic frame.

In other words the DC / EG subframe only takes a 12mm bolt, which if used on the EK LCA would cause play since the EK bushing / LCA is made to take a 14mm bolt. Make sense?

I'm stumped on the camber issue though... any thoughts?

 

Hmm, I know the SI lca is beffy,(i have them). But I would have never thought they would be clearence issues. Which is good to know, and sucks you found out the hard way.

14/12 completly makes sence, everything I found, never said anything about that, nor did my friend. I assumed it was only the compliance bushing that was different. I am sorry about giving you incorrect info!


I am trying to run things through my head, like what could cause that camber issue.

I doubt the lca's would play a roll in this.

I am coming up with noithing, I am stumped as well.

Buying a camber kit would fix the issue, however, my brain is telling me there is something wrong here that needs to be fixed.

 

i thought dc subframe and ek subframe were different...

 

They are.

My guess is the knuckles. I seem to recall hearing that using integra knuckles on a '96 - '00 Civic results in some camber issues, if you have the subframe and LCAs from an integra though it'll either fix the issue or make it that much worse depending on which why they screw with the camber.

 

No problem, I didn't mind picking up the EG / DC LCAs and forks. At least now there's sound information on this swap. I plan to do a complete write up once I get everything working so that other people attempting this swap have all the information needed.

I've considered a camber kit, but would like to keep all OEM components.

I have a feeling it's the knuckles too. I was researching suspension compatibilities and it seems like the ball joint on the EG / DC was placed further back (toward the centerline of the car) which would push the bottom of the wheel out further, correcting the positive camber... I would love to confirm this though before going through the trouble of swapping out the parts?

 

Can anyone confirm if there's a difference between EG / DC and EK knuckles or why this swap isn't working?

 

I don't know why I didn't think of that last night.

I remember a few people saying there were differences, but could never get proof of it.

 

Well the knuckle is really the only thing I could change at this point. I mean, you can't run different LCAs with this swap (EK ones don't work as previously stated) and the EG / DC upper arms won't fit (cause they mount differently).

So it has to be the knuckle, unless DC / EG lower control arms have different lengths. After all, they are different part #'s.

I do remember as we were doing the swap that the lower ball joint kind of fit differently into the lower control arm. It was almost as if the castle nut threaded too high which would lead to what I said earlier... about the position of the ball joint being different on EG / DC knuckles than on EK knuckles...

 

DC/EG LCAs are the same length just to clear that up. I'm running DC LCAs on my '93 Si right now, actually non ITR DC LCAs and LX/EX/Si LCAs should be exactly the same, CX/DX/VX are different because they lack provisions to mount sway bar endlinks.

Everything in terms of DC/EG suspension all shares the same geometry.

 

I just wonder why there are different part #'s between the front LCAs then. The Integra ones are all ST7 while the EG ones are all SR3, with slightly different endings for the CX/DX/VX models.

Working in a Honda parts department, I've learned that a different part number (ESPECIALLY the middle digits) means there's SOMEthing different...

 

So your saying your camber sits like this / that would be positive to me. im sitting at negative 3.2 and looking like this \ so which one because you say positive but put \ which is negative. top of the tire and rim leaning into the car

 

It's like this (on the driver's side).... \

Which is positive camber... something is too short.

 

I agree with you, at this point the only other thing I can think of is the knuckle.

 

I always thought the ST7 and SR3 just designated the body in the parts system.
I.E. Front lower arm
DC2 Integra P/N 51350-st7-020
EH3 civic P/N 51350-sr3-020
The part is the exact same, just designated for different chassis. I've had both parts side by side and they are the same.