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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 03:40 PM
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Later on during the summer, I am planning on getting a full Skunk2 suspension. What I mean by that is, Lowering springs for a 2" drop, front and rear camber kits, as well as front and rear shocks. Now, I did the math and it`s going to cost me around $900 to get all the parts I need. And yes I know I need an alignment when I`m done, I`m just factoring in parts for right now. I just want some opinions about my project.
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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 03:45 PM
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Pass. Koni/Ground control. Progress CS-IIs.
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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 03:50 PM
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From what I`ve been reading, coil-over`s can have a rough ride.
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Old Apr 3, 2011 | 03:52 PM
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Stay away from Skunk 2 suspension. There other products are great. But the suspension dept lacks. Shocks are bouncy. LCA's have junk bushings, and i dont know if they fixed it or not but my old camber kit ( Front UCA) use to slip out of adjustment.
I'm running Koni/GC w/ Stock Lca's, F7 Sub frame Brace and a ITR sway bar and I'm completely satisfied. Btw u dont need a camber kit. IMO there useless
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 06:05 AM
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My bro had skunk2 sus setup and it was horrible. Bouncy and stiff. He fell in love with my h&r setup
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 06:15 AM
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There's nothing inherent in coilovers having a rough ride. Lots of people who know nothing about suspensions tend to tout this information and its fallacy spreads like a wildfire across the interwebz.

It's not black and white: Coilovers = rough shocks and struts = smooth

It's all in the rate of the coils/springs and the damping paired with it. The type of shock/coil/etc does not make a lick of difference.

Skunk2 suspension components have a long term reputation for being solidly mediocre for the money, often paired with too stiff of rates for the street with no adjustability. Some of the newer models seem a bit better.

Even still, for $900 you could get koni/ground control and you'll have a better product and a lifetime warranty. You can also choose spring rates that fit your needs. And you'd have $100 left over for the spring compressor rental you'll need for your oem springs.

And I can't help but emphasize again lifetime warranty.

camber kits are extra useless. Write those off unless you're lowering your car to the point where you can't get out of your own driveway.

If you're only getting a 2" drop you definitely don't need a camber kit. if you were going lower than 3" you could almost make more sense in having them. Even then it isn't necessary.

When you lower a car you change the camber, which also changes the toe. Toe eats tires far quicker than camber will. A good summer tire or low wear rate all season will wear to uselessness long before camber has a noticeable effect.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 07:30 AM
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upgrade?
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Blacknight117
From what I`ve been reading, coil-over`s can have a rough ride.
The spring/shocks you are looking at will do exactly the same thing.

And no, if you buy good quality parts the ride will not be bumpy. However this will also depend on the spring rates you pick.

The parts you are looking at will not last, koni/gc or koni's and some sort of a lowering spring WILL.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 11:14 AM
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Buddy clubs just if you want the best ride out there unless you go the koni way but that is double the price of a buddy club set up plus parts are made in japan for the Buddy Clubs.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 01:05 PM
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Buddy clubs just if you want the best ride out there unless you go the koni way but that is double the price of a buddy club set up plus parts are made in japan for the Buddy Clubs.
I'll be nice sence you clearly are a noob, and have no clue what your talking about.

First thing, best ride? LOL Ride quality is very subjective. But I promis you they are not the best, not by a long shot.

Second. Koni/ground control can be had for $799 Shipped. Buddy clubs from what I have seen run $600-800.

Now is this double the price? No it's not.

Please get your facts straight.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 03:01 PM
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I didnt know it was lifetime warranty w/ Koni/GC kit. Is that all the pieces or just struts?
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Who said it was a lifetime waranty on the kit? Koni offers a limited lifetime warranty.
http://www.koni-na.com/warranty.cfm
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 03:42 PM
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^AS does ground control.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 05:12 PM
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I am def thinking about either Koni`s or PROGRESS CS-II SERIES 2 COILOVERS. What about teins? Anything good about that name?

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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 05:37 PM
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^AS does ground control.
Excellent. 2 separate warranty's. I didn't even think to look up one for G/C. Can't go wrong there if you can afford it.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 05:52 PM
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I am def thinking about either Koni`s or PROGRESS CS-II SERIES 2 COILOVERS. What about teins? Anything good about that name?
Tein makes a fine product. But it doesn't have a lifetime warranty, and there's a $400 JDM tax on it.

Koni/GC is hands down the best bang/buck product there is.

Short of maybe progress CS-II
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Originally Posted by ek forever guy
Tein makes a fine product. But it doesn't have a lifetime warranty, and there's a $400 JDM tax on it.

Koni/GC is hands down the best bang/buck product there is.

Short of maybe progress CS-II
I`m think Koni shocks and Tein lowering springs...all for about $500...not bad. Since I`m lowering my car about 1.75", do I need to get a camber kit?

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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 07:04 PM
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I would go koni/gc or progress CS-II.

Pick one.

Tein springs are going to be too soft for you. They aren't much stiffer than stock.

Koni shocks are ~$450. Tein springs are ~$180.

~$730 and for $69 more you could have the best bang/buck suspension setup there is. Koni/GC.

The decision is simple.

I love my Progress CS-II's. If I could magically swap my progress cs-II's for koni/GC with stiffer rates than my progress for the price difference I'd do it without blinking an eye.
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Old Apr 4, 2011 | 07:05 PM
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Nope. I am lowerd about 2.5'' front and rear, and run about -1.7* in front and -1.9/2.0* in rear.

I get perfect tire wear, I did do the washer trick in rear, it was -2.8/9* which would still get you good tire wear if the toe is set correctly.

Camber kits are totaly unnessacary.

S techs are quite soft. I'd go for somthing in the eibach sport line/ H&R race on a koni sport.

With a S tech, go with the Koni Str-t.
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 12:45 AM
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I'll be nice sence you clearly are a noob, and have no clue what your talking about.

First thing, best ride? LOL Ride quality is very subjective. But I promis you they are not the best, not by a long shot.

Second. Koni/ground control can be had for $799 Shipped. Buddy clubs from what I have seen run $600-800.

Now is this double the price? No it's not.

Please get your facts straight.
I guess the price has come down a lot since i last looked my friend bought his buddy clubs for 750 shipped from a vendor on this forum by ride quality I mean it is not extremely firm car handeling is drastically improved not extremely stiff where you feel every bump a superb ride quality compared to stock.
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 10:17 AM
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I guess the price has come down a lot since i last looked my friend bought his buddy clubs for 750 shipped from a vendor on this forum by ride quality I mean it is not extremely firm car handeling is drastically improved not extremely stiff where you feel every bump a superb ride quality compared to stock.
That still isn't double the price.

If you would saved 100 more he would have gotten a fair superer product. Not something that he will be replaceing in 2 years.
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 10:33 AM
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That still isn't double the price.

If you would saved 100 more he would have gotten a fair superer product. Not something that he will be replaceing in 2 years.
lifetime warranty doesn't mean much to some people. Who knows why.
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 10:38 AM
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I'll never understand. I will also never understand while people continue to support the companys makinng crappy, low quality parts.
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 10:45 AM
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I'll never understand. I will also never understand while people continue to support the companys makinng crappy, low quality parts.
Simple. Because they want crappy, low quality modified cars.
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Old Apr 5, 2011 | 10:56 AM
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Simple. Because they want crappy, low quality modified cars.
I think the term is called "Frontin'".
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