I was wondering if there was anyway to install a rear ASR Swaybar without the use of the subframe brace.

 

Y/M/M (year make model) always helps.

Will it work? Yes.... but this bad boy is 24mm, Subframe tear out is the word of the day. Don't do it w/out some sort of chassis brace.

 

Yeah subframe tearout was the first thing that came to mind. And my car is a 95 civic hatch.

 

OP: do you mean using the sway bar just without that big bracket that says "ASR" on it? That bracket itself doesn't do much to prevent tear out. There are a couple of pieces that look like little blocks that basically sandwich the subframe. Those pieces are what prevent tear out. Just look at the Beaks kit, they don't use some fancy looking piece of metal that covers the whole subframe and their kit works just fine...

EDIT: Here's what I'm talking about...
Here is the Beaks kit. These pieces are all that is necessary to prevent tearing.


The ASR kit. See the pieces towards the bottom? Similar to the Beaks right?


I'm not sure what the back of the ASR bracket looks like and if there is some sort of intregrated part that aids in tear out. I'm going to assume there isn't really anything there though. Also not sure if you could even bolt up the swaybar D-brackets without that big ASR bracket. Don't see why not though judging by the pictures. Might just need to get some new bolts in the right lengths.

 

Are you seriously advising OP to run w/a Beaks kit on a 24mm ASR Sway bar? Did you happen to read that he's in a 95' Hatch, fully equipped w/the weakest sub frame of almost ever Honda ever produced?

The biggest you would want to go w/would be a 23mm '98 R Sway. The beaks kit is great for OEM upgrades, when you hit 24mm+ your talking a whole different ball game (even though its only 1mm difference) I HIGHLY advise AGAINST a beaks kit w/an 24mm ASR brace...ESPECIALLY if your not running some sort of STIFF coil over *** coil over. The flex is too much for the subframe. If your on struts and typical springs (Eibach/Tein/ETC...) this bar will surely tear your car apart...shhheeeeiiit, in a Hatch I'd never even chance it in the first place.

 

Do you have evidence to support this? Not trying to pick on you or anything, far from it. I just like to see it so I'm better informed and don't give out wrong info.

I just find it hard to believe a 1mm difference in the sway bar would rip the subframe out with these kits. Also find it to be a bit of a stretch that the brace ASR uses absorbs a lot of the flex exerted by the swaybar. Espcially if the spring rates in the rear are high enough and if you are using shocks with short shafts. And again, check out the parts for Beaks and ASR, similar components minus some big brace with the Beaks kit. Function7 and Blackworks are the same. Except Function7 has those pieces actually incorporated into their brace insted of a bolt on application.





Just want to know what works and what doesn't. Seems to me all these companies use the same basic idea that the Beaks kit is using..

 

Absolutely, I'm not trying to bash in any way either...and after having read that I realized I probably sounded like a dick.

This is the first article that comes to mind (98 civic coupe)...and he was only running w/a 22mm bar, there are many others that follow:



http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f27/...ks-kit-183381/

On a 94-01 DC/DB the subframe is a bit stronger....Pat (Mod) can attest that he's been safely running beaks/ITR on his teggy for years. I also thought I'd be okay to run the ASR bar on Beaks until recently..... The civic HB is a different story, paper thin subframe from what I understand.

PS- I'd never use a BWR brace, it literally looks like a piece of sheet metal, perhaps when I read a bit more success and/or praise I'll swing their way....Function 7 and ASR are the way to go when it comes to sub frame reinforcement at the moment!!!

 

Yeah those pics are for 6th gens which even by the subframe layout is weaker than 5th gens. That's also the older Beaks kits, they have a new revised kit that seems quite a bit more solid.

How are the 5th gen hatchback subframes any different than the 5th gen coupes or even integras? I thought for 5th gens they all used the exact same subframe/suspension design/manufacture process?

I've been using the Beaks old kit on my '95 coupe with ITR 22mm bar for about 4 years now. I AutoXed with it using Tokico HP suspension(which is not far from stock, so soft springs...) for probably close to a year. Then went to Koni/GC with 450/550 rates for about a year. Then bumped up the rates to 650/800 on rebuilt Koni's for the past 2 years. AutoXing about 25-30 events a year the past 4 years and the car was daily driven for about 3 of those years with the Beaks kit and 22mm bar. No issues at all for me.

And yeah, I would never ever recommened anything from Blackworks lol, just used it as an example..

 

I've got love and respect for that Speedy. In the fullest sense my man.

Rad that you've been able to run Beaks/ITR combo on a Civic coupe and Auto X it...as you know there's a lot of "hate" for running large sway bars on Civics of all years w/out reinforcement other then a sub frame brace but I trust that you've been running the setup long enough to know first hand.

I think that we can both agree that opinions are subjective...I used to roll a DC2 and now DB8, always used subframe braces for whatever reason, even though I didn't need them and knew it...maybe just to protect the investment you know? That'll be enough of my rant, as you can attest this worked for you...although I'm MEGA skeptical of running a 24mm bar w/beaks and no other reinforcement. HAHA

Regardless, you've run the beaks setup...and I've never seen you post ill advice over the years so I'll keep it quite now. Sometimes knowing when to shut up is the way to go! I'll be the FIRST to admit that I'm glad to learn something new almost every day on HT. Love myself a good clean debate!

Side Note- I was unaware BWR braces were coming w/that hardware! hmmmmmm.....lolz

 

I'm just curious that you mentioned a 24mm bar could cause problems. I've just never heard of it. From what I've read, seems like the Beaks kit works with bars up to and including 25mm. I definitely agree that it's a good idea to run atleast some sort of bracing with any bar larger than OE bars. Personally, anything larger than a 24mm bar and I would more than likely use ASR or Function7 just to be assured of no problems.

Anyways...lol

OP: I've never personally delt with the ASR kit but judging by the pictures, it seems as if you could just use the 4(mayber 6?)pieces that are in the picture I posted. Though I wouldn't guarantee anything lol.

 

@civexspeedy Yeah I was actually thinking about doing that combo. The beaks kit with the asr sway bar, I just wasnt sure if they'd work together.

 

Your best bet would be to contact Beaks and ask them directly. I'm sure they will give you the best answer in just a few minutes..

 

I bought a 94 integra that already had a ASR Subframe Brace but it doesnt have those middle brackets and bolts that i would need to bolt up my recently purchased 23 mm Type Rear Sway bar. Where can i get just the brackets? Does ASR sell that separately too?

 

Contact ASR