All the guys stepping down to SFWD from Outlaw no good. Stepping down is not the answer, we need more so called SFWD cars stepping up to Outlaw. Larger name racers stepping down, beating up little guys is not the answer. Will SFWD be out of reach? Hot Rod, now Outlaw, where are we heading within our sport? How can we keep the sport growing with everyone killing classes every year?

 

Couldn't agree more with you next thing we are going to see is a limited true street with the guys that run a 62 mm turbo.

 

What's causing people to step down? Is it the ego that's fragile or the wallet that's thinning...maybe a little of both?

 

The first person to run 8s and this class will be abandoned, next class is "Simple Street"

 

Maybe they are looking at their times compared to T1's and NRG's. If they're seeing that they need to put more money into the car just to try to catch them, they would rather just step down to SWFD and make some changes and be competitive off the bat. Not too long ago SFWD was looked at (IMO) the same way.

 

*cracks a tall boy and begins hitting refresh*

 

Event organizers should just eliminate SFWD class and force them to run Outlaw or True Street.

 

I like this idea as well, guys that run 72mm and 24.5" do not.

 

There shouldn't be a SFWD or Outlaw class, it should just be true street. It'd be nice to see more cars at the races and true street allows for all kinds of combinations to run.

That said, is there really a SFWD or Outlaw class other than at the Fall Nationals???

 

None of you realize what it cost to run outlaw. If one of you are willing to give me the money to race outlaw I'll make sure to be at every race on your dime.

Any takers? Its easy to talk about it.

 

I see where this is going...again......and again....and again

 

The only way to do it is to do what EVERYONE seems to be against. Its called an Index. Lets face it, everyone's budgets are not the same. Having an index would allow for everyone in the class to catch up and would make the classes a lot more competitive. (down to the driver) Qualifying passes would be run all out as fast as you can go. The fastest ET would be the #1 qualifier. If you could put together a points series the # 1 qualifier would also get points for that spot. In eliminations though, you would have to run no faster than the set index. This would even the playing field for everyone and make the racing a lot more competitive. It would give the smaller budget guys a chance to compete. (NOT JUST THE 2 FASTEST GUYS ALWAYS WINNING). Lets face it, if you build a car to race, you want to have a chance to win right. Why would you want to race another competitor that you cant even compete against? History will repeat itself unless we as a whole make a change. The same thing happened when Big Money GM got into the game with the NHRA hot rod class. Many people quite on the sport because it wasnt worth the expense of travelling just to get beaten. I would love to see this sport grow, but where it is now i feel as if there is no way it can. I just foresee people dropping off unless we make a change. just my .02

 

Sure will drop... what will happen if Miller says he is going down to SFWD, will everyone quit...smh!

 

Reguardless what class you run in stuff breaks and alots races these days have about same power,but cant figure out or know how to make their setups to work correctly.Sfwd and Outlaw are not really entry level classes bracket would be.At the end of the day fastest cars dont always win.

 

wether or not sfwd is dead or not, the spirit of the class lives on.

i love saying that i run in the sfwd class, unless the true street is an option.

BUT, since i am broke, the trans is still broke, and the pea shooter is gone, alas, i will have to live up to my boostfed terry shirt. if you dont know what means pm me hahaa!!!!!!

there is something about running in "sfwd" trim. dead or not.

thats my o.o2

 

Does Miller race all events in your region?Fast teams will always be fast.

 

let me ask one question? who wants to drive 8, 10hrs maybe even farther spend a crap load of money to be put out the first round or not even qualify in outlaw. if you havent done this you need not post on this thread. i would love to run outlaw but i dont have the sponsorships and resources some of the other teams do. so the next logical thing is to step down and be competive in sfwd. if the industry would spread sponorship money thinner, it may even out the playing field. im not crying i love the fact these guys are running this fast, but its not in my budget to even try right now. when some gives me a travel budget and all the race gas i need then lets go for it, till then im watching

 

Another idea to add to this is...qualify based on the set index. But instead of trying to run ON the index for eliminations, make it a bracket race. That way if someone has their car dialed in at a 9.0 (with a 11.50 index class) and they are up against a 11.20 car, the two cars can still run "all out" and not have to "turn down" the power to run 1.50 seconds slower for eliminations. This is basically NHRA Index racing....qualify based on your index, then bracket race for eliminations. Of course NHRA Index racing has CIC's but I wont get into that beings import racing does not need that due to the lack of racers and no series.

 

I wouldn't want to run index or bracket racing regardless.

Heads up racing is what a lot of us love to do. And everyone has a shot at winning, at any race.

I raced in Hot Rod before and during the GM domination. My car was very consistent. Slow, but consistent. I was able to make it to 2 final round appearances, and 3 or 4 semis during that season with a mid to back of the pack car. This allowed me to make it to almost every race during that season (due to the winnings I received)

I don't think index or bracket racing is the answer, I thing a class where more cars can compete is the answer. That was what was fun about racing 8-10 years ago. A ton of people, privateers, big money, etc all at the track having fun.

Lets face it, how many on here really want to bracket or run an index race?? If you do, there are already tons of places to do that type of racing.

 

outlaw 72mm and up on 26s
72mm on 24.5s
67mm on 24.5s

 

i drive from Canada to make fall national, world cup, some Vw shows at E town, even NSCRa finals at PBIR all to get *** handed to me by some supras or any other car for that matter since last year was a nightmare, you just got a go and support and run your race and take care of what you have control over .. your car dont worry about who is going..

I will never be competitive in NSCRA hotrod rules but i will still go. i don't care i race to go faster each time if i make a round great if not ill do it next time.

 

The index idea is not a bad idea......

Outlaw 8.50
SFWD 9.0
TS 9.0 or 9.5

 

capping the ET in those classes will work.

 

that what wrong with import racing. even tho the culture is growing alot of these event s dont make sense. and import guys are hella stubborn and only want to stick to one model.

for a outlaw to step back and compete with guy who have only built a car around sfwd is dumb. any outlaw car even the slowest ones will beat a true sfwd all day long. pitting a "has been" outlaw against a true street import does not make it competitive. i think if imports was more organized with events and broaden there ideas we would have a series and sponsors for everybody not just a few racers.

we gotta think logical about an event where you mixing outlaw guys with sfwd cars. personally i think a "has been" outlaw guy stepping down is whats expected because of the times chris and tony are pulling them guys are like apple and everybody else is microsoft "trying to catch up". so the next thing that should be done is creating a class for the has beens and figure out the true sfwd guys

 

oh and ima say index racing should be thought about