I want to install a 13MM Si sway bar on my 99 Civic couple. I was thinking about using ASR back plates with it. I emailed ASR a week ago, but I haven't gotten a response back.

Anyone know where I can buy the backing plates? Or is there a better solution than the ASR plates? I don't want to run a subframe brace or a tie bar.

EDIT:
Please read the whole thread carefully before PM-ing me. All the answers are in here. Not trying to be a dick, but I've had several people PM me with questions, to which the answers are in the thread.

 

http://www.beaksproducts.com/Products.htm

 

Why not just use the OEM EM2 sway bar brackets that bolt into the subframe instead of fumbling around with aftermarket brackets?

 

You don't need a reinforcement with a 13mm sway bar.

 

Patrick, what brackets are you specifically talking about? I got the stock brackets with the Si bar and I was thinking of using the ASR backing plates to hold it in vs. using just nuts on the backside.

Thanks for the links on the Beaks kit, but I rather get the ASR since all I need is the backing plates, not the whole bracket. Also I'm only running a 13MM kit.

I was thinking about using just nuts, but I read that a Si comes with some sort of reinforcement on the subframe for the sway bar mounts from factory. I rather be safe and pay $20~ for insurance.

 

I don't get it, do you not have threaded nuts/holes already welded to your subframe, or were they knocked out previously by someone running a larger sway bar and subframe mount or brace?

 

I have a EX coupe, NOT a Si. I read that non Si models do not have threads in the holes, no?

 

^They don't, only SI's have the threaded holes.

 

what? gheyyyy... dang even my old base model 1989 Toyota Camry already had the holes there for rear sway bar (added one from a junk yard hah). I can understand the control arms but you'd think the subframe itself would already have the threaded holes.

 

you can get oem si backing plates too.

 

ASR just got back to me earlier. He says $14 shipped for a set. I think I'll get them as an insurance policy.

Thanks for your help guys.

 

Yea, they make the LCA's the same, but screw us on the subframe....

$14 is cheap!, I might get some now too lol

Kyden- where did you find the oem plates? I looked around and I couldn't find any?
Sorry for the thread jack OP.

 

It's cool dude. You helped me out in the other thread and I already got the answer I was looking for.

I was surprised to see he wrote $14 shipped considering it says $20 on their website. I just hope he doesn't take as long as he did to reply back to my email, to ship them out [Sent an email last week and then another one on Monday before I finally got a reply back today].

 

They may just be really busy, I have heard these things in the past about ASR. They are normally really good at getting back to people.

Good luck

 

It's not about a brace. It's about the 'backing plates' or support plates or whatever you wanna call it at he other side of the frame that is to be used with any swaybar regardless of brace needed or not. SI/EK4 has them stock. You want to take the risk? I am surprised of this remark coming from you.



The holes are there but not the extra plate with welded nuts. Why else would ASR include backing plates with their kit.



Truth.

 

It's not about needing backing plates. It's about needing threaded holes to tighten the sway bar D-bushing brackets against the subframe.

Beaks and ASR have these plates because the original subframe holes aren't in the correct place, and/or are too small. So you drill out the holes and welded nuts, and put the backing plates in their place - when using these kits with LARGER sway bars.

If your subframe already has threaded holes for the sway bar mount brackets, you DO NOT need any additional backing plates for mounting an OEM 13mm rear sway bar. If the car does not have these holes, then you would need some sort of backing plate for the sway bar mount bracket bolts to tighten into.

 

^^ You could use bolts/nuts, I am with no problems, on my DX, 13mm sway bar.

Although, now that I see how cheap the ASR backing plates are I likely would have gone with those instead.

I just didn't see the point in getting any renforcement stuff for the subframe.
I don't even think I would call the OEM plates a renforcement.

 

$14 shipped is cheap insurance IMO. Also, I can reuse them if I decide to get a bigger bar in the future.

I haven't read anywhere where you have to drill new holes for a subframe brace. I figure for a EM1 SI, you would have to remove the factory plates and nuts.

 

ahhh I see now. I looked up the ASR brace installation instructions and compared them for the EG/DC chassis vs. EK/EM chassis. On EK/EM models, you use the backing plate for cars without the factory sway bar since there were no threads in the holes. There is no drilling.

I suppose if you use the factory EM1 sway bar bushing brackets (bracket mounts to subframe, bushing D bracket mounts to sway bar bracket), then you could use the ASR backing plate with it.

EG/DC's are different, and require drilling out spot welded nuts inside the subframe before mounting the brace and backing plates.

 

Just to clarify what you said, this only applies to models[EG/DC] that came with a factory rear sway bar.

 

Yeah, for the EG/DC chassis.

For the EK chassis the installation manual states that on models with factory sway bar (i.e. EM1 Si coupe) you use the original stock backing plates, and do not use the ASR backing plates at all.

 

They're included because that kit is designed for larger than 13mm sway bars. Reinforcing one side without the other will be useful, but not as useful. The ASR is a well engineered piece and I'm confident it's overengineered for a reason.

When I ran a 13mm sway bar a hundred years ago on my DX hatch I used nuts on the backside and used the stock Si bar, bushings, and the spacer-bracket-plate things. Never a problem for me. I've never seen an issue with a 13mm sway bar regardless of trim level.

In my write-up that's been re-broadcast across the entire internet I mentioned not needing a reinforcement for the 13mm sway bar and with my experience that means on either side of the subframe. In all those threads, no one has ever come forward saying "Thanks *******, I took your advice and tore my ****."

If there is someone out there that has experiences something like that, please step forward. I'd like to amend that information and stop leading someone down the path to ruin!

 

^^ I have mine on the same way, all oem brackets, and 4 10mm nuts, and bolts. No issues at all.

I think I looked at your thread when I was doing it.

 

I see things are clear now


OP, I suggest you substitute following part#

95701-0801808 BOLT, FLANGE (8X18)

for

95701-0802508 BOLT, FLANGE (8x25)

The 25mm will clear the backing plate fully, contrary to the 18mm, as I just found out, and as you see in the pic below:

18mm (Honda bolt) and 25mm (ASR bolt) through swaybar bracket and ASR backing plate:

 

Granted.

Still, beter safe than sorry for only $14, with the addition of having a sure and over-strong, nice setup. But that's just me talking

Still², EM1 and EK4 feature 'plates with welded nuts' instead of just nuts.


So now every EK swaybar enthusiast has every info he could wish for