A few months ago I had a timing belt package done to my Honda Accord at the dealer. I was living in an apartment at the time and did not want to deal with it. I have put about 1200 miles on the car since the service.

Problem: Starting to have some very light oil seepage. They only changed two of the seals behind the timing belt cover. The cam and balance shaft seals were the only ones changed. My guess the crank seal is leaking.

Who should eat this repair? Definitely they did not use best practices given the car has 200k. Guess if you want something done right you do it yourself. I’m going to be fuming pissed if I have to pay the bulk of the labor over again.

 

Dealers usually try sell every parts while doing T-belt.

My guess is, They did not notice crank seal leak at that time. So did not bother to replace it.

But, You need to find out for sure where the oil is leaking before go to the dealer.

You can take the valve cover off just make sure they installed camshaft seals right.

 

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They gonna rape you.

 

curious how much did you pay for this service?.

Btw shouldn't this be in the accord section.

 

I thought that a timing belt change included the belt, a tensioner (if bad), a water pump, and a valve cover gasket.

I agree but have no idea what year the car is.

 

My car is leaking from the T-belt side too. Which is the seal that most frequently goes bad on a '96-00 Civic with a D series engine? I just did my oil pan gasket and its still leaking.

 

Judging by previous posts it looks like a '90-'93. That meshes with the mileage as well.

He asked about making a DIY for a '90-'93 Accord and he answers questions in the '90-'02 Accord section when he's not in GDD.

Even if we're unsure with the year it might make better sense (for tech) to put it in Tech/Misc at least.

 

Because It can leak from the cam seal again, if they installed wrong. It does happen.

Try diy kit.

 

The Honda dealership did a F series timing belt job for $550? I have a hard time believing that. There are mom and pop shops that wouldn't do that job for $550. The parts alone from the dealer to do that job (properly) would be up there.

Timing belt - 45
Timing belt adjuster -77
Balancer belt - 46
Balancer belt adjuster - 74
Water pump/gasket - 71
Valve cover gasket - 36

I'm sure there are various other seals and **** that I'm missing that is reccomended to do that job and I still came up with $350 in parts alone (Majestic Honda for source). There is no way in hell that the dealer, who probably charges around $80-$100 an hour, did all that and a valve adjustment for $200. I don't have access to Mitchell on demand anymore but I gaurantee you the timing belt job alone calls for about 3-4 hours.

So either OP skipped out on a bunch of **** reccomended while doing the job or this is the least service oriented dealer I've ever heard of.

This job should probably cost around $1000 from a chain service station, I would imagine well over $1K from the dealer because they're going to want to flush the cooling system after the water pump change and do all kind of small extra add on **** as well.

 

Well, the OP hasn't said what car it was, so I had to reply on searching for what he might possibly drive.

What engine would be significantly cheaper than that? I'm used to hearing about $700 timing belt jobs anyway.

 

I based my estimate off a F22B engine. Which would cover 90-02. Anything newer than that would use the K24, which is obviously chain driven, so.....that takes that out of the picture.

Unless were talking V6 here, I think I'm pretty close.

 

Is it pretty common for the dealer in your area to replace tensioners when performing routine timing belt services?

 

Another dealer can only warranty work actually performed. IF the original dealer didn't replace the crank seal and that is leaking now the new dealer can't warranty that because one was never replaced. It is industry standard practice to replace all front seals at once. It should have been replaced regardless of whether it was or not leaking. First, I would contact the original dealer service department and let them know of the issue. It is possible the tech made a mistake while installing either one of the seals. The rear balncer shaft also has an oring behind its driven pulley that leaks from time to time. A vehicle with 200k should always get a comlete tbelt service which includes all front seals and a h20 pump also IMO. After you let the original dealer know. I would ask them how they would like to handle it. They might have a working relationship with your new dealer. You could also install some engine oil dye now to help the tech pinpoint the source.

 

Absolutely. Look on ebay for timing belt kits, they all include tensioners. All this stuff is the reason I haven't done the timing belt on my Accord yet. It's expensive and it's a pain in the ***.

Flip through the article real quick, you have to loosen the driver side motor mount and drop the motor down just to get to all the ****. Plus with the balancer belt, like I said, it's a pain in the ***.

It's not the same as doing one on a B series in a EG. Hence why I have a hard time getting over the $550.

 

My dealer quotes between $550 and $600 for a timing belt change. '99 Accord, I4. My local mechanic gave me a quote for $450, including the water pump.

Just saying that his quoted rate of $550 is in line with what I've seen.

 

I've done hundreds of Accord timing belts in my day, I know the process, it takes all of 70 minutes for the belt, pump, and seals. Every once in a while you'll get a crankshaft sprocket which gets stuck when you're trying to change the crank seal and that'll extend your time to 2-3 hours, but for the most part it'll be around 70 minutes. It really isn't as hard as the Honda dealer makes it out to be.

I only asked the previous question because it is not common at all for the dealers around me to replace Honda tensioners when doing routine maintenance.

 

I really wish I still had acess to Mitchell. YOU may be able to the job in 70 minutes but I'm damn sure you don't want to get paid for 70 minutes. If techs got paid for how long it actually took to do something, they probably wouldn't make alot of money.

Like I said, as per the multiple timing belt jobs I've quoted over the time I was a service writer, the average I4 timing belt jobs calls for 3-4+ hours. It would probably be even more for cars with balancer shafts.

And why would you not replace the tensioners? That makes no sense, it's the same as not doing the water pump. While you're in there, replace everything you can. When I finally get around to doing mine, I will replace every seal, gasket, belt, etc I can while I have it dropped down.

Just makes too much sense to me. I dunno, I guess I'm the minority here.

 

I have never replaced a tensioner on accords I have owned in the past, and there have been no issues.

I simply replace belts and seals and all is well, maybe with this current accord I'll consider it

 

If you're in there, it's good measure to go ahead and replace the tensioner(s) regardless. If one of those go, then your engine will pop. $60 tensioner is better than a $2000 engine rebuild.

 

Call honda of America they usually side with the customer.

Best of luck