Okay, so before the flaming starts I've searched to no luck. Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated, as always.

Here we have it:
Interested in JDM 98 Spec ITR Rear Sway for a GSR. I'm trying my best to stay away from comptech or ASR subframe brace because they're a little flashy and I don't live in the best area. I garage when I can but thats not always an option, I'd prefer the most "stock" looking concept available.

With that being said I've heard the Beaks/BSQ kits are pretty effective for the most part. I've been looking all over the net to get ahold of the $20 BSQ kit with no luck, and I'd rather not make it myself to be honest.

Does anyone know of a link where BSQ kit is sold, do they even make them anymore? And/or do I have any other options??? Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks HT'ers

 

I don't think the BSQ kits are still being produced. There is a risk of tearout even with the BSQ or Beaks kit. I know the subframe braces can be flashy, but they provide the best protection from subframe tearout. The flashiness can be remedied by some black spray paint.

 

2 option.

Enjoy tearing out your subframe

Or

Paint the reinforcement bar flat black

 

The ASR brace has dropped in price lately, so while I understand your point and worry, I also think its the best alternative to mounting bigger sway bars for now.

The BSQ kit was awesome, and cheap, but I believe they are no longer made. You can make one yourself to resemble it, but why go through all that trouble when the ASR is not as expensive as it should be. If you dont care about aesthetics, try to find a used one for sale in the Marketplace. This way, it will be much cheaper since its not brand new, and will be a perfect candidate for you to spray it flat black for stealth and protection from thieves.

 

Ya, its looking like I'm going to have to run w/the black ASR subframe brace from some reading w/in HT and some other forums. I guess I just didn't feel like my driving is aggressive enough to truly need a subframe brace but Id rather protect my invesment after the swaybar upgrade.

I'll piece together the difference between ASR/ITR combo and the ASR/24mm combo that comes with the endlinks etc..., Thanks guys, for the quick responses.

Thanks to all above for bein' straight up...

 

BSQ is no longer selling his homemade kit. Beaks sells the same thing for like $70 and it works 110% perfect! YOU DO NOT NEED AN ASR BRACE FOR THE ITR SWAY BAR. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY There is almost no chance of tear out when using the beaks kit especially on the eg/dc chassis. Ek that's a different story. There are multiple people who have been running it for years with no issues at all. Patrick 94 is the 1st one that comes to mind. He's been running that setup for about 4+ years. I've been running it for a year + with no issues. Save your money!

 

Perhaps it would help if I mentioned this car is a DD for spirited driving, not a total track car???...

Conflicting information...and I respect all of it.

Anyone else wanna chime in?

 

I've seen it torn out before on the 92-95 civic/94-01 non-r integra. It's cheap insurance.

 

i googled subframe tear out.
http://www.superhonda.com/forum/f27/...ks-kit-183381/

 

Actually, the "total track" car is more likely to have stiffer spring rates, which would limit suspension deflection, which would reduce the load from the ARB on the chassis, which would reduce the chance of tear out.

In short, the DD is more likely to need the brace.

I can't vouch on how needed they actually are though. I'm running the Comptech reinforcement and bar on my DC2.

 

I'm running Tein SS Coilovers, I know thats not considered "track" but the spring rates are definately higher then that of a normal lowering spring like Eibach or anything of the sort as I've had both and the SS are definately a bit harsher than most.

At the end of the day, although the sub frame brace may not be needed...I'm not willing to chance it. I'll save up the extra $$$, I don't want to cheap out on suspension.

 

That's an ek subframe. It's almost non existent on a eg/dc

 

That's an ek subframe. It's almost non existent on a eg/dc

It's your money man so do as you wish but it's not needed.
I'm running progress CS-2 coilovers with 350/350 rates and a 22mm itr bar with the beaks kit. I drive my car pretty hard on back roads which is all we have around here. Hard enough the back end wants to step out sometimes. Been over a year + and no tears or ect ect. In the end it's your call.

 

Truth

Links please, I've only seen an EG/DC tearout when no Beaks or BSQ kit was used.

as stated before, that link is irrelevant since it's an EK. Funny thing though, I bought the sway bar and Beaks kit pictured in that link from the original owner who had the tear out. I replaced the bolts with better, larger hardware and drove my EK with it on for a few years including some autox and track days, it never tore out.

I think the issue with some of the beaks kit tear-outs I've seen on EKs was due to using SAE grade 5 bolts which stretch and loosen up causing the mount move around to put high stress on the subframe (the hardware that came with the sway I bought was grade 5 and stretched out)

Now I have a DC which has had a 22mm sway and beaks hit on it for years and it's going strong.

 

No reinforcement


Not sure what brand this brace was, but same result.
http://www.team-integra.net/forum/di...0&ThreadPage=1

 

^^^ Neither one of those pictures are using a reinforcement kit. So what are you getting at? Tear out WHEN using the beaks kit is non existent from what I've seen.

 

That looks like an MFactory, ST, SRR style subframe brace. ^^^

 

Yeah I just noticed in the 2nd pic it does have some kind of brace sway bar combo. Whats on the back side of the brace. If it's just a nut that would explain it. The beaks kit has the same front/back piece that sandwich around the subframe. Looks like a poor design.

 

Which is why none of those companies produce it anymore.

 

You're kidding me right? Did you see the URL of that image? It's from this page
http://www.beaksproducts.com/tearout.htm

I don't think anyone is saying that having no reinforcement is ok, but the Beaks kit is good enough reinforcement.

Yeah not sure about that either, so without seeing the whole setup I can't comment. Just from looking at the damage it seems like the nut got pulled through the back side of the subframe, which would indicate that there wasn't any reinforcement in the rear.

Again, nothing to do with tear-outs with a Beaks kit installed, keep trying to find some evidence tho.

 

I can vouch for the Beaks kit holding up on a DC2 Integra. I've had my ITR rear sway bar for at least 8 years, first with a BSQ kit, and currently with a Beaks kit for the last 6+ years.

And for nearly 6 of those years, the car has been on Koni Sports with OEM ITR rear springs. Zero tearout issues.

On 96-00 Civics it's much more of an issue. For 94-01 Integras running the OEM ITR bar, an ASR brace IS NOT required.

 

Much love for the all the help guys...Thanks for your input P. I've got the info that I need, from people that I highly respect, both for their thoughts, and their cars.

Cheers!!!