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Old Dec 18, 2010 | 04:09 PM
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I have Honda Accord 1994 EX AT with ABS. I have replaced both left/right Upper Control Arm along with Upper Ball joints almost 4 months back.

From last 2 weeks Driver side is making weird noises while rotating steering anti-clock wise and ABS light comes Intermittently.

Today I looked at it and saw that Upper Balljoint nut looks loose while trying to take out the cotter Pin, I broke cotter pin.

Now pieces of cotter Pins are still there in the Nut, can anyone please help and advise a way to take out Broken pieces of cotter Pin also could weird noises be related to Loose Nut???

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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 10:59 AM
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I spray a little WD-40 and then take another cotter pin and use it to push out the piece stuck in the ball joint stud. If it's really stuck, I get a small nail and do the same thing.
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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 11:04 AM
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I spray a little WD-40 and then take another cotter pin and use it to push out the piece stuck in the ball joint stud. If it's really stuck, I get a small nail and do the same thing.
Thanks for your reply, is it safe to drive for a week or so with Broken pieces of Cotter pin sitting in the stud?

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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 11:14 AM
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Use an impact gun to remove the nut and drill out the cotter pin remnants. Fast and easy.
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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Targa250R
Use an impact gun to remove the nut and drill out the cotter pin remnants. Fast and easy.
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I cannot get hold of the nut as cotter pin has very hard edges from the point where it broke.

So I need to remove remnants first and then tighten up the nut to get rid of weird noises.

Kinda of stuck how to get rid of Broken parts of cotter pin
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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 11:32 AM
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I'm not understanding.

If the cotter pin hasn't broken off flush with the nut, then use a tool (pliers, pick, etc.) to pull it out.

If the cotter pin has broken off flush with the nut, use an impact gun to remove the nut. Any decent 1/2" pneumatic impact gun will be able to remove the nut whether the pin is still in there or not. Drill the remnants of the pin out of the hole in the ball joint stud once the nut is off.

If the cotter pin has not broken off flush but has not left enough material to grasp with a tool, then grind it down flush so that you can fit a socket onto the nut and use an impact gun.
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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Targa250R
If the cotter pin has not broken off flush but has not left enough material to grasp with a tool, then grind it down flush so that you can fit a socket onto the nut and use an impact gun.
Nut is fine but there is not enough cotter pin left that I can grasp and pull with a plier.

Also is it safe to drive for a week or so like this??

I can paste the pictures to get expert opinion.

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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 02:30 PM
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Define "nut is loose" because it sounds an awful lot to me that what you're describing is a seized ball joint where the tapered stud is turning in the knuckle. Replace it before it breaks and you go into a pole/guard rail/oncoming traffic.
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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 04:29 PM
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Define "nut is loose" because it sounds an awful lot to me that what you're describing is a seized ball joint where the tapered stud is turning in the knuckle. Replace it before it breaks and you go into a pole/guard rail/oncoming traffic.
Thanks for your reply, but I just replaced the whole Upper Control arm along with Upper ball joint how can the ball joint is seized???


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Old Dec 19, 2010 | 09:02 PM
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Thanks for your reply, but I just replaced the whole Upper Control arm along with Upper ball joint how can the ball joint is seized???
How long ago is "just replaced" I've seen lots of cheap aftermarket ball joints go bad in 6 months.
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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 03:59 AM
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How long ago is "just replaced" I've seen lots of cheap aftermarket ball joints go bad in 6 months.
I replaced it in Aug of this year but they are ebay made, is there a way I can make sure that Ball joint is fine???

Also there is no possibility that stud is loose that's why giving weird noises while turning Steering anti-clockwise???

Many Thanks in advance for your help
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Old Dec 20, 2010 | 05:44 AM
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I replaced it in Aug of this year but they are ebay made, is there a way I can make sure that Ball joint is fine???
Separate the ball joint from the knuckle, move the stud around, it should be somewhat stiff, but it shouldn't catch or bind, there also shouldn't be any play in and out. Honestly if it an ebay ball joint i'd replace it either way with OEM honda, or Sankie/555.

Originally Posted by faran
Also there is no possibility that stud is loose that's why giving weird noises while turning Steering anti-clockwise???
Generally if the stud is turning the ball joint has seized. Its not like the nut can back off with the cotter pin in place and become loose.

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