Trans fluid for smoother shifts
I've tried searching but wanted something more specific for my car, any one have the fa5
Looking for trans fluid to just get a smoother shift, any experience, suggestions?
Looking for trans fluid to just get a smoother shift, any experience, suggestions?
I was trying a mix of 140 and 85-90, to get the 3 gear grind out but it didn't work out and it was too stiff on cold mornings.
I put in Mobil1 gear 75-90 lube (here it cost me 23 for 2 quarts) it shifts better and smoother.
Don't put motor oil in your trans, it's too thin, some standard transmissions do require thin fluids like ATF, but not honda's.
I put in Mobil1 gear 75-90 lube (here it cost me 23 for 2 quarts) it shifts better and smoother.
Don't put motor oil in your trans, it's too thin, some standard transmissions do require thin fluids like ATF, but not honda's.
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Amsoil Transmission Fluid. I have it in my car. I like it better than the stock fluid.
http://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?code=MTFQT-EA
http://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?code=MTFQT-EA
5-30 is motor oil not gear lube, and is too light for a transmission, unless it is built to use the light oils, most that use those light oils use dexron auto transmission fluid.
I don't think it would be a good idea to use oils that light in these transmissions, since they are built with using 75-80 in mind.
I tried running 1 quart of gl5 75-80 and one quart of 140 it worked ok until it got very cold even parked inside overnight it made very hard shifting.
I went back to mobil 1, 75-80 I still have my slight grind in 3rd and the trans shifts nice.
I find for everyday driving if you shift 1 to 3 you never get a grind.
I don't think it would be a good idea to use oils that light in these transmissions, since they are built with using 75-80 in mind.
I tried running 1 quart of gl5 75-80 and one quart of 140 it worked ok until it got very cold even parked inside overnight it made very hard shifting.
I went back to mobil 1, 75-80 I still have my slight grind in 3rd and the trans shifts nice.
I find for everyday driving if you shift 1 to 3 you never get a grind.
I've heard of Honda having better stuff in Japan, I'm also due for a trans fluid change... I've been told Amsoil aswell, but it can get cold in the DC metro area, so fluid that is great in cold weather and in hot would be ideal. I've heard GM syncro mesh is the answer??? yay or nay?
OP, use either fresh Honda MTF (it breaks down quickly, so if you haven't changed it in the past 15,000-20,000 miles, your shifts won't feel too great) or Amsoil Synchromesh Manual Transmission Fluid 5W-30.
You couldn't possibly be more wrong on all counts.
Using high-viscosity gear oil with a sulfur-based additive package is one of the quickest ways to ruin the bearings in a Honda manual transmission. I've lost count of how many transmissions I've had to rebuild or replace because some moron didn't RTFM and thought it was okay to fill the trans with standard gear oil. Believe me, I've made a lot of money from stupidity like that.
Honda recommends only genuine Honda Manual Transmission Fluid, or in its absence, 5W-30 engine oil as a temporary fill. They do not and have never recommended 75W-80 gear oil; those types of oils do not have the correct additive package.
UOAs have shown that the current (post-2006) formulation of Honda MTF is based on a 0W-20 or 5W-20 engine oil viscosity (on the lighter end of 70W-80 gear oil viscosity) and uses ZDDP like an older SF or SG engine oil rather than a ton of sulfur or boron like a standard gear oil.
Some kinematic viscosity test results for popular Honda manual trans lubricants include Redline MTL at 10.6 cSt (@ 100C), Amsoil Manual Synchromesh 5W-30 at 9.6, GM Synchromesh at 9.1, and Honda MTF the thinnest of them all at 7.5. Honda MTF is pretty close to an ATF in viscosity. For comparison, most ATFs test in the range of 6.5-8.5 cSt, while 75W-90 gear oils test in the range of 12.8-14.5 cSt.
I was trying a mix of 140 and 85-90, to get the 3 gear grind out but it didn't work out and it was too stiff on cold mornings.
I put in Mobil1 gear 75-90 lube (here it cost me 23 for 2 quarts) it shifts better and smoother.
Don't put motor oil in your trans, it's too thin, some standard transmissions do require thin fluids like ATF, but not honda's.
I put in Mobil1 gear 75-90 lube (here it cost me 23 for 2 quarts) it shifts better and smoother.
Don't put motor oil in your trans, it's too thin, some standard transmissions do require thin fluids like ATF, but not honda's.
5-30 is motor oil not gear lube, and is too light for a transmission, unless it is built to use the light oils, most that use those light oils use dexron auto transmission fluid.
I don't think it would be a good idea to use oils that light in these transmissions, since they are built with using 75-80 in mind.
I tried running 1 quart of gl5 75-80 and one quart of 140 it worked ok until it got very cold even parked inside overnight it made very hard shifting.
I went back to mobil 1, 75-80 I still have my slight grind in 3rd and the trans shifts nice.
I find for everyday driving if you shift 1 to 3 you never get a grind.
I don't think it would be a good idea to use oils that light in these transmissions, since they are built with using 75-80 in mind.
I tried running 1 quart of gl5 75-80 and one quart of 140 it worked ok until it got very cold even parked inside overnight it made very hard shifting.
I went back to mobil 1, 75-80 I still have my slight grind in 3rd and the trans shifts nice.
I find for everyday driving if you shift 1 to 3 you never get a grind.
Using high-viscosity gear oil with a sulfur-based additive package is one of the quickest ways to ruin the bearings in a Honda manual transmission. I've lost count of how many transmissions I've had to rebuild or replace because some moron didn't RTFM and thought it was okay to fill the trans with standard gear oil. Believe me, I've made a lot of money from stupidity like that.
Honda recommends only genuine Honda Manual Transmission Fluid, or in its absence, 5W-30 engine oil as a temporary fill. They do not and have never recommended 75W-80 gear oil; those types of oils do not have the correct additive package.
UOAs have shown that the current (post-2006) formulation of Honda MTF is based on a 0W-20 or 5W-20 engine oil viscosity (on the lighter end of 70W-80 gear oil viscosity) and uses ZDDP like an older SF or SG engine oil rather than a ton of sulfur or boron like a standard gear oil.
Some kinematic viscosity test results for popular Honda manual trans lubricants include Redline MTL at 10.6 cSt (@ 100C), Amsoil Manual Synchromesh 5W-30 at 9.6, GM Synchromesh at 9.1, and Honda MTF the thinnest of them all at 7.5. Honda MTF is pretty close to an ATF in viscosity. For comparison, most ATFs test in the range of 6.5-8.5 cSt, while 75W-90 gear oils test in the range of 12.8-14.5 cSt.
thats right becuase i but an ef9 and the tranny went out on me and wen i took out the drian plug it was filled with motor oil and thats wen i started to use honda TMF becuase i think its much safer to knoe that honda made a specific TMF for the cars....i dont really listing to alot of ppl becuase thy just geuss on wat type of oil to use and just becuase it runs dosent me it going tolast
Well I RTFM again and I RTFSM again,(like I did before I put the fluid in the first time) both say the same thing use motor oil as a temporary fluid and they are pushing the honda MTF.
So WTF is Honda MTF, my guess is that is Mobil 1, my car shifts great it makes no noise other than the 3rd gear grind which it had with the Honda MTF in it when I got it.
When I bought my new LX in 07 at a few thousand miles I dropped the honda mtf whau I found was Gear Oil that is why I put Gear OIL in the 06si.
BTW my car has 98K on it.
So WTF is Honda MTF, my guess is that is Mobil 1, my car shifts great it makes no noise other than the 3rd gear grind which it had with the Honda MTF in it when I got it.
When I bought my new LX in 07 at a few thousand miles I dropped the honda mtf whau I found was Gear Oil that is why I put Gear OIL in the 06si.
BTW my car has 98K on it.
It only my opinion but I think once a year would be a good idea, or around 10K miles if you don't drive a whole lot.
On the 6 speed it's just short of 2 quarts so for 10 or 15 bucks depending on how much you pay for lube.
I hear dealers talking about lifetime fluids in cars, yes the fluid will last the life of the transmission, but who wants to have to buy a trans when they can buy 2 quarts of fluid instead.
On the 6 speed it's just short of 2 quarts so for 10 or 15 bucks depending on how much you pay for lube.
I hear dealers talking about lifetime fluids in cars, yes the fluid will last the life of the transmission, but who wants to have to buy a trans when they can buy 2 quarts of fluid instead.
no if u buy honda MTF thats all u need and u can do it ur self...just drain it than refill it tell the fluids start comming out...the drain plug has a sqaur hole that fits ur rachet bottom of tranny passanger side then the fill hole is on top it is a 17mm socket about 4 to 6inch on top of drain pug
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