Hey guys, so im swapping a JDM b16a into my ej8. Wanting to do a mild build and Im looking to get around 200whp. But keep in mind, this is gonna be a daily with an occasional drag, so nothing too serious..

So PLEASE HT, give me some input on what i can do to achieve these power goals.. like what cams, pistons, IM, etc... Open to all ideas/suggestions!!

Thanks!

 

search and see what other 200whp b16s are using. Check out omni man's 200whp b16 dvd, that will give you an idea of what its gonna take... and its gonna take alot lol

 

Lol yeaah. I kinda looked around but didnt find much. And i heard about him, seen one of his builds i think.. but ill look some more, see what i find..

 

Right head work, right combo of parts, good tuner can easily get u there.

 

If it were my B16 this is the route I would take:
B16 Block, rods, crank w/ B16B or P30 slugs
Full port and polish head
Edelbrock performer x IM w/ 68mm portmatched TB
Skunk2 pro 1's or 2's
SRI w/ BPI V-stack
There are many header choices that will help you get your goal.

 

For the amount of money spent to reach that kind of power, considering its only going to put out 14X wtq, its just not a very good road to go down for a street car.
the ej8 is fairly heavy and unless your geared very short and keeping the revs up all the time its not going to be very impressive, and even then...
don't get hung up on particular numbers for something you will be driving all the time, its more important that its fun to drive in the conditions you'll see ie traffic, city streets, residential, whatever.
IMO having usable mid range is the best for this type of thing, which wouldnt really be the case for a 200whp b16.

 

Yeahh, 200whp is kind of a high number for a DD.. lol and i agree with what you guys are sayin.. Id be happy with anywhere between 160-180whp.. I just really dont wanna boost unless i have to. lol because we all know that stock b16a's dont handle the snail very well!

 

And thanks for the input guys, appreciate every bit of it!

But youre completely right unusual.. So what do you think would be good for a DD..? Im having my ecu chipped and tuned on either crome pro or ectune, with a good i/h/e. So what about some skunk2 cams? or anything else you know that would give me some little power gains without getting too crazy..?

 

depends on a few things i guess. i personally wouldnt waste my time putting much money into a b16, usually you pick up more horsepower by moving the peak torque further up which means the car doesn't actually feel much faster.
You'd probably appreciate the money better if it was spent on transmission or chassis upgrades. Big brakes are fun too!
depends on what you already have though of course.

 

This is the setup I sold my gf's bro..he made 194hp wit a meager 115tq..

B16a block
- SRP 11.5cr piston
Scat rods
B16a head
- Blox B cams
Crower retainers
Supertech dual valvesprings

Bent hytech rep headers
2.5in exhaust
Itr I.M.
V. Stack
Stock port..81mm bore


It was tuned on crome by PED..tuning was limited due to an hf fuel pump and stock injectors..that was it..believe it or not..I saw it wit my own eyes n they were originally my parts..He now has a walbro fuel pump, rc injectors, itr lsd tranny(just wanna throw that n..lol)and rmf narrow headers..hopefully i can keep u guys updated as he is soon to retune his car..here's the vid I made..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=515aLXwVuCQ
Copy n paste if doesn't work or type "MICHAELS B16 CRX DYNO" on YouTube..

 

Are you more concerned with what a dyno reads, or how quick your car is?

 

clean rice is right
you can make a dyno read almost anything you want it to read
but the proof is in the pudding
aka 1/4 mile times/trap speeds

 

Those are pretty good numbers for what he has in it.
I guess he found the right ingredients! lol
But thanks for that info man, ill look into that a little bit.. sounds pretty good for what im lookin for.

 

yeah true that man, im more interested in times aka "the pudding lol" rather than dyno numbers. Just wanting something that i can drive daily, and still show off a little bit when i want to. Mostly just something fun to drive thatll sorta pin your *** in the seat lol.

 

I still dont understand why so many people feel that the b16b pistons are the answer to all OEM high compression builds, Omniman did it with p30's if I am not mistaken. Now onto the original topic. If what you are looking for is that raw power feel that as you say will "pin you to your seat", its not going to happen with a b16 unless you put a good amount of money into it (thus taking the identity of the motor away from itself). I say this because the volumetric efficiency of the motor is greater in the upper RPMs, meaning that it doesnt make power until you are already swinging for the fences. You already saw a video of a well built b16 make 194whp (which is really good), and 116wtq which is lack luster when you compare it to the fact that stock GSRs make more than that. Another thing to consider is the weight of your car. Your avatar looks like an EK coupe so I would assume that you should look into some of the 1/4mi numbers EM1 Civics are getting in various trims. The honest opinion I give you is take your build one step at a time, drive it and see what changes you want in your setup. I had a 94 CX hatch with a B16 that I loved, added i/h/e and felt invincible and that was enough for me at the time.

 

Build a mild 2.0 if you want a fun DD. 150 lbs of torque from a 2 liter is much more fun and practical than 115 from a strung out B16. Had a B16 as my DD, went to the 2.0 and never looked back.

Just the passing power alone on the highway without having to drop a gear or two is great!

 

Yeah, the low torque from a 1.6 is the thing i was worried about.. and to get that torque higher, its gonna cost a lot of money to get the right parts because i know a b16 has light internals, and putting the wrong parts in can actually cause a LOSS in power, right..? I was actually thinking of getting an LS for the torque and how easy they are to draw power out of, but im not sure yet...

 

2.0 man. Easy power and tq

 

give us a budget that your working with and i'm sure i could point you in the right direction

 

Dont really have much of a budget, because some of this will be done over a small period of time. Just not looking to spend a fortune lol. but right after i put the motor in i could probably spare about 900$ or so. then im gonna throw in anything else i might need to a little later on.

 

$900 will be a valvetrain (if your lucky)

It is by no means impossible to make 200whp on a B16, but it will obviously be harder than making 200whp on a B20/LS VTEC setup. I am not a huge fan of B16's, but they are fun little motors. If you want to make great torque numbers along with 200+ whp LS/B20 VTEC would be much more practical.

 

give the head a mild port and toss it on a b20 bottom end. You can easily add arp rod bolts to the stock rods without taking them completely out and then rev high enough to make power on that setup. it would be much better suited to what your looking for in an engine

 

Yeah i know, 900$ isnt much at all, so thats why i was gonna start gathering more parts over time and then put them in.. And LS/V was my original plan, but ive never really dealt with it and some people just started telling me bad things about it.. But then some more people tell me good things about it lol. im just kinda up in the air.. You guys got any imput on ls vtec? like Pros/cons..? and how hard is it to set that up, because i know its not just as simple as slapping a vtec head on a ls block, right?

 

All your questions can be answered by searching.

Only on a Honda forum is there a hybrid engine setup that's been being done for 12+ years and there's still people asking for the pros/cons of it. READ

 

https://honda-tech.com/forums/all-motor-naturally-aspirated-44/all-motor-forum-%5Bfaq%5D-2628364/