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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 08:57 AM
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Default GS-R rod knock repairable?

Is it worth the money or even possible to repair an engine with a knock in it?
The car hasn't been driven since it was diagnosed with a knock. If possible I'd rather fix, than replace and engine.
If repairable what types of figures am I looking at, hundreds or thousands in repair work?

Thanks for any and all advice.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 10:12 AM
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Drain the oil to see how much metal you have in it. Its probably the cheapest to just buy a used block in good working condition.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 10:56 AM
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Drain the oil to see how much metal you have in it. Its probably the cheapest to just buy a used block in good working condition.
I doubt its much, if any at all because 30 minutes prior I had an oil change and there was no metal in it.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 11:02 AM
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Prior to having the knock? Well did you drain it after you started hearing the knock?
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 11:09 AM
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Prior to having the knock? Well did you drain it after you started hearing the knock?
No, haven't had the time because of school. I suppose draining the oil would be my only means of checking, correct?
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 11:13 AM
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Default Re: GS-R rod knock repairable?

Yes draining the oil after you hear the knock is just to check how much metal is already shaved. basically to determine how much damage is done.

How did you find out that its a rod knock in the first place? Did you miss shift or something?

Also try a compression test and leak down test as well.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 11:29 AM
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Default Re: GS-R rod knock repairable?

Originally Posted by mouab18c1
Yes draining the oil after you hear the knock is just to check how much metal is already shaved. basically to determine how much damage is done.

How did you find out that its a rod knock in the first place? Did you miss shift or something?

Also try a compression test and leak down test as well.
I had the car towed to the shop that did the swap, and that was their diagnoses.
I had no idea the knock was my issue(i had it towed to them for a main shaft bearing). I figure the leak down test would be my best bet, because from what I gathered about doing a compression test, is that the engine must be at the normal operating temperature or am I incorrect?
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 11:36 AM
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main shaft bearing? eh?
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 11:39 AM
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main shaft bearing? eh?
Yeah, if it's not one thing with this engine..it's something else.
My good'ol D-series never gave me any trouble. haha
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 12:09 PM
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new rod/main bearings are not hard to put in man, you can do it with the engine in the car just like the Omniman DVD B series build. It's not particularly difficult either if you do some research and figure it out, certainly cheaper/easier than paying $1k for another short block and then all the hassle or cost of pulling the motor out.

You can always try putting in thicker oil too?
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 12:25 PM
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Default Re: GS-R rod knock repairable?

If theres metal shavings then there is more damage then expected and just replacing rod and main bearings is just a waste of money and time. Most likely it would need to be checked for any scarring or damages to other components
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 12:55 PM
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If theres metal shavings then there is more damage then expected and just replacing rod and main bearings is just a waste of money and time. Most likely it would need to be checked for any scarring or damages to other components
Assuming I luck out and there are no metal shavings found once the oil is drained, would my next possible step be to just replace the rods and main bearings? or would a more in-depth inspection be recommended?
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by neverstop
new rod/main bearings are not hard to put in man, you can do it with the engine in the car just like the Omniman DVD B series build. It's not particularly difficult either if you do some research and figure it out, certainly cheaper/easier than paying $1k for another short block and then all the hassle or cost of pulling the motor out.

You can always try putting in thicker oil too?
Thanks, I'll definitely check out that dvd.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Assuming I luck out and there are no metal shavings found once the oil is drained, would my next possible step be to just replace the rods and main bearings? or would a more in-depth inspection be recommended?
Well it depends on you from that point. Me I would rebuild the whole thing once and call it good instead of fixing a minor thing and a few weeks or months down the road end up replacing something again. Its your choice you may luck out with just replacing what you can visibly see with the oil pan off.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 04:31 PM
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Pull the vtec solenoid off and check the mesh gasket to see if you have a buildup of shavings. That will ultimately tell you what you need to do. This happen to my block, and I rebuilt the whole thing. Once shaving gets into head everything needs to be torn down and cleaned out!......Just my opinion
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 03:15 AM
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Default Re: GS-R rod knock repairable?

Originally Posted by mouab18c1
Well it depends on you from that point. Me I would rebuild the whole thing once and call it good instead of fixing a minor thing and a few weeks or months down the road end up replacing something again. Its your choice you may luck out with just replacing what you can visibly see with the oil pan off.
Thanks for all the help, I'll be starting my search today for some local shops to do a rebuild. I'll probably check w/Acura first to see what they charge.
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 03:17 AM
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Default Re: GS-R rod knock repairable?

Originally Posted by 00b18b
Pull the vtec solenoid off and check the mesh gasket to see if you have a buildup of shavings. That will ultimately tell you what you need to do. This happen to my block, and I rebuilt the whole thing. Once shaving gets into head everything needs to be torn down and cleaned out!......Just my opinion
I completely forgot about pulling the vtec solenoid, i'll be doing that as soon as I return home from school. I see that you're local(757), know of any shops that'll do a rebuild? What exactly does it entail and what kind of prices am I looking at?
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 10:39 AM
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Thanks for all the help, I'll be starting my search today for some local shops to do a rebuild. I'll probably check w/Acura first to see what they charge.
Acura will charge an arm and a leg. Try looking for some shop with good history first
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Old Dec 4, 2010 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mouab18c1
Acura will charge an arm and a leg. Try looking for some shop with good history first
Yup, they asked for $6300. Only now I'm not sure what the issue is anymore because I called the shop that diagnosed it and I'm getting the run around again. The guy says he has no clue what's wrong with it and he now thinks the noise is coming from the head.
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Old Dec 4, 2010 | 09:28 AM
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Shitty shop that is. Take it somewhere else. And $6300 just to rebuild a bottom block at Acura. You might as well buy an ITR motor from Hmotors for half that price.
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Old Dec 13, 2010 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mouab18c1
Shitty shop that is. Take it somewhere else. And $6300 just to rebuild a bottom block at Acura. You might as well buy an ITR motor from Hmotors for half that price.
Well, I just got back from school and I checked the vtec solenoid and found metal shavings in it.
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