My '91 Wagon RT4WD Score and Build Thread

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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:41 AM
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The owner I purchased the car from got mad it didn't start for him one day, so he smashed the hood and smashed the windshield.

$100 and a tow later, it was in my garage.

The reason it wouldn't start, part of the air filter box was broken and wedged between the throttle body and the throttle plate. It cranked, fired, and drove on the first try.

It has a long ways to go, I've bought a new hood and windshield from Honda...but that's about as far as I've made it.





The wagon's inspiration:



...and where it's headed:



...some progress pics:






Got it on the ground last night...








Things I have found that work from other models:

Front Rear Crossmember. Between the ED and EE crossmember, I measured about 1/8"-1/4" difference between the lower control arm mounting location, the EE being longer. Good for running a non-power steering rack and Quaife quick ratio rack. ...and good for lowered suspension geometry.

DA Integra radiator. Good for a dual-core radiator vs. the stock single-core.

DA Knuckles. Good for fitting a wider wheel and 10.2" brakes. The DA knuckles have more of a bow, so you can run more back spacing vs. the EE/ED knuckle. Also, the DA knuckle is just a little taller, so the camber angles increase more as the suspension compresses.

ED Upper Control Arms. Shorter than EE UCAs. Good for more static camber.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:44 AM
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What a steal - I've wanted one of these cars for over 10 years and have yet to find one for a good deal.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:49 AM
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nice
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 10:58 AM
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nice what a steal!
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 11:03 AM
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deff good deal.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 11:29 AM
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is that a cvcc in the first pic? awesome build
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 11:32 AM
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is that a cvcc in the first pic? awesome build
I don't see any other cars but the RT4WD in the first pic, but in the second pic I do see two N600's.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 11:38 AM
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In the first pic, you can't see it, but there was a S600 under the shelf.

It's gone now, though.
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Todhunter
I don't see any other cars but the RT4WD in the first pic, but in the second pic I do see two N600's.
sorry rude a$$ you know what i ment. why does everyone got an attitude on here. tring to be the first ones to correct people. i was asking the OP. not anybody else. did i write awesome build to YOU? there are always people like this that give ht and d series a bad name. .....
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 10:11 AM
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mruneek,

Yes they are a couple N's, one of the guys I share the shop with loves the older Hondas. He has had at least 4 or 5 of those things.

N's and 3rd Gen Preludes. I don't know what is wrong with him. lol
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 10:49 AM
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you gotta love where the honda roots come from
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 11:14 AM
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mruneek - no disrespect meant. I just wasn't sure if you were seeing something I wasn't. I used to have three N600's for a restoration project but got out of them to get into something else.

Relax - text doesn't convey inflection well, and I'm sorry you took it the wrong way, though there are some obvious jerks on here.

Deatschwerks - why'd you get rid of the S?
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 11:19 AM
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Man really nice find on the wagovan bro.
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 11:25 AM
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The S wasn't mine, I could have bought it before it left the shop, but I wouldn't be able to get to it for a really long time.

I did get the opportunity to turn a few wrenches on it before it left.

Was a cool experience, especially getting dirt and grease everywhere that has been there much longer than I've been alive. :D
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 01:10 PM
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great deal!! another red wagon on the road!
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 01:16 PM
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...well, it's red for now.
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 09:24 PM
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so let me get this right. you have lower control arms that are shorter to bring in the wheels more?
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 06:09 AM
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Bro, you dont even know how jealous I am right now. Good ****.....
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 06:59 AM
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so let me get this right. you have lower control arms that are shorter to bring in the wheels more?
I did have a set of DA LCA's on that measured about 1/8"-1/4" longer, but the radius rods wouldn't mount, so I put the stock ones back on.

The UCA's are off an ED9, and they are shorter than the EE, so it brings the top of the control arm in more, so I get a little more negative camber.
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 09:56 PM
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Looks great so far and man what a steal of a deal.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 06:18 AM
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nice find! i was about the buy one the other day but the guy wanted wayyyyy to much for what it was worth. GL with build
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 06:24 AM
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Got a chance to poke around the interior and look over some of the wiring last night...

...looks like the hood and windshield wasn't the only thing that was botched.

The main connector for the driver's side harness was broken/missing and electrical taped together, and looks like the blower motor was replaced with a non-Honda connector replacement, so the wires are spliced together with screw caps.

Looks like I'll be pulling the dash to make sure nothing else screwy is under there. I have to do it anyway to replace the evaporator, which has a stripped connection on the firewall.

I'll be running by the shop to drop of my "hopefully!" parts for a rear disc swap and I'll try to remember to snap some pics of these shenanigans.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 07:07 AM
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are you posting this over at hondacivicwagon.com?


you guys sell injectors right?
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Deatschwerks
I did have a set of DA LCA's on that measured about 1/8"-1/4" longer, but the radius rods wouldn't mount, so I put the stock ones back on.

The UCA's are off an ED9, and they are shorter than the EE, so it brings the top of the control arm in more, so I get a little more negative camber.
do you have pics of it side by side, for comparison?
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 07:12 AM
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You know, I don't. I didn't have my camera with me when I swapped the UCA's...and the EE UCA's got tossed because they were trashed.

From memory, it was a good ball joint (the threads) width shorter...maybe just a little more.

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are you posting this over at hondacivicwagon.com?
Yep, that's me.

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you guys sell injectors right?
Yes we do...and a new 300LPH in tank pump, after the first of the year.
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