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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 11:09 AM
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my car was running, then i took the dizzy off to replace the o-ring that was leaking alot, then we put a new one on, and it was hard to put the dizzy back on the head, we couldnt tell if the teeth were lined up correcty because it wasnt going in either way DUE TO THE NEW O RING we turned it, so we forced it in by screwing the screws down, that messed up the teeth, so i replaced the teeth with the ones on my obd0 ls dizzy, which are exactly the same, but now they line up, and the car wont start.. it goes on with no problems at all, ive retarted it, advanced it, checked all the wires, the firing order, everything, car still wont start, its getting gas, and has spark, fuel pump primes everytime, stock regulator, 255 walbro, stock injectors, and stock fuel rail


it just turns over and turns over but doesnt start, it does backfire sometimes, and smokes a little


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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 11:28 AM
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we couldnt tell if the teeth were lined up correcty because it wasnt going in either way we turned it, so we forced it in by screwing the screws down,
it just turns over and turns over but doesnt start, it does backfire sometimes, and smokes a little


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Obviously you didnt install it properly.
If it back fires then recheck your firing order and again install it the right way. Forcing something to fit never works out.
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 11:58 AM
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im aware of that, i messed up those teeth, i changed the teeth, thats no longer the problem, the firing order is correct
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 01:37 PM
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the rotor inside the dizzy is probly not the same xact way...
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 01:51 PM
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im aware of that, i messed up those teeth, i changed the teeth, thats no longer the problem, the firing order is correct
ok ok..you pulled the dizzy off and forced it back on with the bolts? lol no bueno...then you damaged the lil gear that fits into the end of the cam and had to replace it. my guess is that you put that gear on the dizzy 180 degrees off. thats the prob perhaps
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 02:15 PM
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ive rotated the little spindal that the teeth go on, no difference, ive flipped the teeth, no difference
i thought it may have been that the engine was flooded, so i took out the sparkplugs, and they were covered in gas and oil, i cleaned them, cranked it over for 30 seconds, 4 times, while the plugs and dizzy were off the engine, to try and gte rid of the excesss gas, put everything back in after doing so, still doing the same thing..
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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oh my bad i had a similar problem and changed the rotor and it worked...
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 03:13 PM
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ive rotated the little spindal that the teeth go on, no difference, ive flipped the teeth, no difference
i thought it may have been that the engine was flooded, so i took out the sparkplugs, and they were covered in gas and oil, i cleaned them, cranked it over for 30 seconds, 4 times, while the plugs and dizzy were off the engine, to try and gte rid of the excesss gas, put everything back in after doing so, still doing the same thing..
Did you take out the fuse for the injectors while doing that?
Gosh, how could you even think of forcing the dizzy in there?
I think it's either the dizzy is 180 degrees off or your wires are in wrong order.
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 03:49 PM
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Check for spark is what you should do.
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Old Nov 28, 2010 | 04:03 PM
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hey sounds like u need a new dixxy
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 04:43 AM
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no i didnt take out the fuse, i just took off the injector clips, and thier is spark, so i dont wanna jump to getting a new dizzy just yet..
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 10:35 AM
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double check your timing.
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 11:52 AM
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Default Re: 94 gsr/dizzy/wont start

Definitely sounds like a timing issue, backfiring is a dead giveaway.

Set #1 cylinder to TDC, check rotor to make sure it is pointed to #1 spark plug lead. 94
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 12:24 PM
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I did this. However it points in-between 1 & 3. Then when I rotate it 180. It points to almost exactly 2. I don't see how taking off my dizzy would make my timing skip teeth..
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 01:42 PM
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It definitely sounds like the timing is off 180 degrees. are you sure you put the piece off the obd0 dizzy on right?
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 05:22 PM
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Yup. And I've even switched it over without turning the shaft. And with turning the shaft. I've tried 4 different switchovers. 2 180 degree turns on the shaft. Then the same in the teeth. No difference at all
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 05:32 PM
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haha, i tell people all the time...if you dont know what you're doing, dont even try it...anyways the dizzy goes in one specific way. the teeths are not the same, it looks the same but its not. get a new working VTEC dizzy and try it out. also check the firing order. and dont ever EVER force anything by screwing the bolts!!!
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Old Dec 1, 2010 | 06:00 PM
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I'm well aware of the teeth. I've stated in the op. That the o ring. Made it to wear I could not tell If the teeth were lined up.and I also stated that I changed the teeth. I would like to try and fix the problem without wasting money on any obd1 b series dizzy
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 01:31 AM
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Double and triple check your spark plug wire locations. You might have them mixed up on the cap if you had them off.

If the o-ring caused the distributor to not fit, shouldn't that be a clue that something is wrong? And the dizzy will not go in all the way if you have the distributor 180 off, which could have been your original problem that caused the gear to break. To anyone wondering, if its the same type of gear it would work. I've taken a gear from a Honda Accord and installed it on my Integra before.

I was going to suggest you flip the gear, but it appears you have already tried that several times. Remove the fuel pump fuse, crank it over for awhile. Let it sit with no plugs in to try to dry out a bit. Try changing spark plugs too, you could have fouled them.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 08:02 AM
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im gonna be away from the car til sunday, so last sunday before i left, i took the plugs out to let it sit, so the fuel will evaporate off the pistons, the reason the o ring made it to where it wouldnt go in, is because it was an advanced autoparts part, not an HOP, however, it will probably never leak again, because the fit was so tight, it just needed to shrink up a little
the sparkplug wires are correct, odds on left, evens on right
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and they go from the distributor 4321 to the driverside mount
i know i have them in the correct order.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by travishoward
I don't see how taking off my dizzy would make my timing skip teeth..
Most likely forcing in a distributor to fit and cranking the car while the distributor is on incorrectly caused it.

Process of elimination better to check and verify its not off then to walk around in circles over and over.
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 01:33 PM
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ill check the timing when i get back to my car..
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Old Dec 2, 2010 | 02:11 PM
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I doubt that would cause it to skip a tooth. The gears break fairly easily when installed incorrectly, I had the roll pin come out and jam mine and it snapped the gear before it let the timing slip. Not a bad idea to check the timing though.
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 10:38 AM
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yea it was just the edge of the tooth that messed up on the previous set i had on there, it just shave a little piece off of the bigger tooth, making it the same size as the little one, causing it to have play and not stay in time (dizzy wise)
i doubt it skipped teeth, but ill check when i get the chance
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Old Dec 7, 2010 | 03:59 PM
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Default Re: 94 gsr/dizzy/wont start

let the car sit with the sparkplugs out, for over a week, and tried to start it today, still doesnt start
need help yall...
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