Just wanna share this with all you allmotor mafia, i put this motor together to participate at IFO event, since the shop that i work at is a sponsor of IFO. It has won the allmotor class, one street class, two pro class, all 3 times in a row it participated in the last 6 months. It also won Sport Compact National street tire class in Holt, Florida last month. Here is the break down of the setup.

block:
B20 stock sleeves
RS machine pistons
stock rod and crank
balanced rotating assembly
CR around 11.4:1

head:
Stock ITR unported
Skunk2 pro2
crower valvetrain
stock ITR intake manifold
Hytech replica tri-y header (open)

tranny:
stock ITR with lsd
ebay clutch/flywheel

best pass 11.60@119.9
1.72 60ft
with m/t 23x8x13
weighs around 2160lbs

here is a quick in car video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvlbCk33fdY

ALL MOTOR was there i think he saw the pass :-)

comment ?

 

Yep , i was there... infact your the only person i know besides myself that has a "fast" AMP car around these southern states.

i saw all your passes, you have a 11.43 pass in baton rouge, at state capital.. This car has the capablities of going 11.1's or 11.0's with a harder launch i believe.
I have pictures and i'll personally vouche for this car.

Its gone 11.4 and can go faster.

I should be able to hit 11.1 easy, since i'm alittle bit more of a aggressive build then yours.

 

Nice driving! Congrats!
Any dyno numbers to share?
Are you running on pump gas?
Those are some damn nice times for a straightforward setup!

 

very nice! simple setups always seems to work great!

 

thx guys, i seriously doubt that it will go low 11's. the car is maxxed out on its potential/performance. i will try different clutch to see if it will cut a better 60ft, its best was a 1.62 60ft at local 1/8 mile track, ran a 6.90@92 but for some reason it doesn't hook as good in other 1/4 mile track i'hv been to. ITB's is my next mod if i can afford, then it may have different power level. lol

as far as power, when it was tuned on the dyno, it made 230/156 (dynojet) with full exhaust, it should make just a hair more open header (if that) but it's currently not tuned on open header. it's on good old hondata s200, the tuner is Mike @ TDC in Mobile AL. It's on some dsm 450cc injectors, and e85, motor probably has close to 10k miles on it but almost all abused miles lol.

 

You went 11.4s @ br, i got it on video, of my gf did... thats low 11's . Go upgrade to eCtune or neptune and lemme tune, you'll hit 11.0 flat promise.

I'd look into changing gearing personally, go to a 4.9 FD i bet you get 11.0's on ur setup now..

Your setup is a truely researched and properly tuned setup.. i'd change a few things out but i'd be perfectly happy to run 11.4's daily driven.

I Support all AMP cars, i personally go to them and what not and if i had known who you were, i would have actually had a conversation with you, but i was in a hurry with teching and ****.

I'm impressed and it just makes me more excited to get my hatch back together..

 

damn... i thought maybe 24.5" slicks would help. 11 flat does sound good, i don't think i will hv enough $$$ to put in it anytime soon lol

 

Pretty sure you and I will be the only ones in the south around here running AMP..which is sad....really sad..

Just save up, i'd honestly look into Gearing first before i do anything else.. ITBS wont give you much more then what you got now...
Change your sig to 11.4 FOOL - i told you i got pics of your run somewhere!

 

nice times
what are you revving the car to?

 

Do you honestly think you can get him down to 11 flat on just a retune? Thats like another 30-40 WHP.

 

somewhere in the 8400-8500rpm, thats where shift light comes on at. fuel cut is at 8800rpm but it didn't get near there. I m terrified of revving b20 too high lol

pyroproblem, i doubt the setup is capable of go low 11's, if it does, its definitely not just thru a retune, i think ALL MOTOR is just pumped up coz he almost has his car back together lol. you are right, it takes another 40whp or more to go low 11's, and no way i can find it in my current setup, unless i hv beter parts in it. trust me i know even the mph shows it has better times in it, the car is at its max potential.

 

Its been proven that all tuning systems are different.

the s200 is outdated and its not really support anymore..

upgrading to a more developed software would help.. alot to look at when using a tuning program

specially the dwell ign.. that plays a big role in the power out put because dwell table are coded by the designers.. in the case of ectune bugermass did it, and they are spot on point, same with neptunes JR did a good job on his recent updates with the dwell tables..

It wouldn't take another 30-40 whp to put this car in 11.1 terrority i think it'd take maybe another 10 or 15.. which i'm sure i could get off of a better system.. with some aggressive timing and plug reading.

Besides.. all bs aside.. if he'd change his gearing and get a more aggressive FD , he wouldn't have to do all of that.. he'd be 11.0-11.2 with gearing change.. usdm itr tranny is still too long.. you need some custom gears NA

 

I am super excited - i've also raised my goal for myself... but i believe in a better FD and a better system to tune on.. but thats just me

 

Not sure if you already have them. But a set of skinnies in the rear will get you another .10 or so off of your E.T. and as we all know , every 10th counts in N/A. Nice simple setup though.

 

Do 2160lb cars making 245 go bottom 11's?
If they do im doing something horribly wrong lol

 

Dyno numbers are just numbers we've all known this..

his car is trapping 116 if not a few mph faster..

his motor is probably around 245-255whp area.

 

Truth.. its the little things now to look @ doing..

 

yah for sure
he said he went 119 so the power is there

 

loving this thread...props for your times +1

 

The car did NOT go 11.4 at baton rouge, the car made 1 solid pass and it was in fact an 11.9. We also have all all the video, Chian had some ecu issues and all we did was swap ecus and she has made numerous consecutive passes.

I enjoy your enthusiasm but I highly doubt he will be having anyone tune the car but me. I am the owner and tuner of the shop. therefore it wouldnt make much sense to have anyone else tune the car since i have been tuning since 2001?

The car literally is all off the shelf parts and for what it is it hauls ***, it traps almost 120mph. Not too many other cars out there with what he has in it doing the same, not around here thats for sure.

I have used plenty of ectune and in fact at one time looking into it, but with all the older force updates, and constant changing to the program i have not fully been convinced of its worthiness. For instance in the boost control section one week the boost control will be spot on with the NC and NP duty cycles, the next it will be backwards inside of being backwards and I dont have time to check those things and the track before passes.

As far as neptune, it is good and we are looking into it as well, but as far as the s200 being outdated its really not, the software is very similar to s300.

Hondata works extremely close with honda R&D and thier support is pretty good, so we have chosen that to be our platform for tuning.

Im not gonna turn this into "one is better than an other" so please dont take this for that.

the car will be making some leaps and bounds soon so keep an eye on it.

it has currently run an 11.6 and I dont see anyone pulling 6 tenths out with an engine management swap on an all motor car. Its just not gonna happen.

Has the car made more than what we ran it at IFO, sure a couple more here and there but its not our concern, we have been a 6.90 at our local track with it in the 1/8th mile so the power is there, track at montgomery just wasnt hooking to our liking.



This motor has over a years worth of driving on it, it was in a car that we built for a customer as a daily driver. he drove it for about 7 months decided to sell it and we bought it from him. pulled the motor and put it in a hatch we had at the shop.....instant race car. the motor has about a year and half worth of miles many of them driven daily to and from work. Its a testament to having a well built motor with good parts that stay together and deliver solid results consistently.



thanks for all the kind words guys



Mike

 

119 is damn fast.

congrats!

 

Well nice build and nice tuning Mike. Ive been around long enough to know you know what your doing. Your reputation speaks for itself!

 

all talk aside.. gearing would get it lower.
oh and ectune doesn't force updates anymore, the problems you listed, have been addressed and corrected.


And as for as the time, my gf is the one that pointed it out to me, she told me and caught a few videos or pics of it going.. 11.4 is what i saw, i'll have to go back through the pics, i saw some of the later runs and he was having problems and it ran 11.9's and 11.8's still not slow.. but none the less obviously not at its full potentional.

I've actually never heard of TDC performance.. and since he really didn't mention much about the tuner, i figured it was some fly by night guy, but to each his own, you go with who you trust, i've been on the forum since it started, and i've been doing this hobby just as long as you, or anyone else. Which is the reason i opened up a import & domestic performance shop. I offered my services because i do regularly go down to ALA to hang with some friends.

Good times, but i highly suggest you go with eCtune or Neptune over your current platform.. as i stated.. the s200 is outdated, and i'm not really a big fan of hondata...but again, to each his own.

TDC and rare have done what alot of people couldn't..
good car, good tuning and way to rep all motor.

 

That car really moves! Are you the one driving? Either way, congrats on the 11.6 pass and thanks for posting the vid.

 

That's a nice ride man!
Props on the ET.