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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 08:55 AM
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Default Eibach Coilover problem *banging sound*

Hello H-T

I did search for installation instructions for these coilovers but no luck so need help yall.

I am having problems with banging noise form the front coilover setup. I am not sure if the struts are stock but I'm thinking they may be. It rides smooth mostly but when I hit harsh dippy bumps in the road it hits hard as if my struts are blown. I did notice when jacking the car up that the driver side coilover sleeve was loose on the strut seat when spring tension is released, and the passenger side is fixed to the strut seat.

So my question mainly is how do I attach the sleeve back to the strut seat so it does not wiggle and bang around? The sleeve has threads but I couldn't find any threads on the strut seat. Or...are these pressed in?

Sorry for the long reading but would appreciate some advise.

I also wonder if the spring rate is not enough or if it has the longer throw stock struts. I'm stumped at the momment.

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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:04 AM
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Default Re: Eibach Coilover problem *banging sound*

It sounds like your hitting the bump stops (or lack of bump stops). Did you install these yourself?
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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by turboteg2nv
It sounds like your hitting the bump stops (or lack of bump stops). Did you install these yourself?
No they came with the car used. The bump stops are there but like stated one sleeve is loose and not attached to the strut seat. How do I secure it to the seat? Maybe they are just hitting the bump stops though if it has stock struts. Not sure yet but think the sleeve should be secured though
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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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Can you post a pic of it? I'm having trouble visualizing what you mean in my head

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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 11:36 AM
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I can't post a pick right now sorry maybe later. Basically though, when you jack the car up and the spring tension loosens the threaded sleeve sits there free while the other side is attached to the strut seat some how. You can grab the sleeve with your hand and shake it about. The only thing that hold it in is the strut and spring when lowered back down? Get it?

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Old Nov 5, 2010 | 07:34 AM
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Bump for experienced installer of Eibach Ground Controls on an EP3!!
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Old Nov 5, 2010 | 09:38 AM
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Guessing you have ground control coilover sleeves, they come with a poly sleeve that slides over the strut and the sleeve slide over the polly sleeve....The stock spring rates that come with the kits kinda suck....If you are biulding a autoX car with custom rates, they are great. My guess is you have 275lb springs that are 6 inchs long....the spring lenght is ok for some 500lb springs but for the lower rate springs it is a issue. they sag about 2 inchs and only have a little more than a inch of compression before the coils hit each other( 6 inch springs do not compress 6 inchs, they compress 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 inchs depending on how thick the wire is in the spring.) If you have a polly sleeve is toast( or missing), you can wrap the strut with bike inner tubes and slide the sleeve over it ....you want to fix it right?
replace the struts and get some 8 inch long 375-400lb springs( 2.5 inches dia)...they are like $130 a pair.
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Old Nov 5, 2010 | 01:01 PM
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OP: if you have not yet, read up on the suspension section by Musty and others and try to avoid big bumps or potholes ; FYI, I have 8" Eibach GC springs with 450 or 475lb in the fronts, but if I hit a good size bump or a pothole, it makes THUD sounds..., small bumps don't.
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Old Nov 7, 2010 | 08:12 PM
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Thanks for the responses.

@ mustclimb

Ok I will try to fix the poly sleeves you mentioned using bike tire tubes. I bet that is why its clanking more becasue its not tight. I'm not sure what springs I have yet but they seem longer the 6". They are red and have Eibach logo.

So hopefully what you said "replace the struts and get some 8 inch long 375-400lb springs( 2.5 inches dia)...they are like $130 a pair." and fix poly sleeves should fix it? Waht about back spring sizes?


@ Cloumep3

Yep sounds like the problem i'll look at the suspension threads mentioned. The ride is smooth aside potholes then its like fuggg its gona bust off something!!

Thanks for input guys
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Old Nov 8, 2010 | 05:19 AM
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this is from a thread I put togather over on clubep3...hope it helps....

Originally Posted by mustclime
First, let me explain what the Ground Control coilover kit is. It is a set of sleeves, purches and 2.5 inch dia springs that allow you to adjust ride hight with a number of after market dampers such as Koni and Bilstien. Since a pic is worth a thousand words...Here is a pic of one installed on the front shock.

NOTE: this pic does not show the top seat in place....it is a gold peace that sits on the top of the spring and rides on the strut top bearing.
Now, there are a couple of advantages to the ground controle kit. The first is by going to a 2.5 inch dia spring, you gain access to a huge number of spring rates. Being able to adjust spring rates to the tires being used is a huge asset in suspensoin tuning. Another advantage is ease of ride hight adjustment. This can be used to get the right suspension geomitry or set corner weights with a scale set. The Kit also drops about 10 pounds in the front with the smaller springs and the removeal of the large steel spring purches.
There are a couple of ways you can order these kits. If you are going to use your stock struts, most retailors have the base kit for sale. This kit comes with springs that are just a little stiffer than the stock ones, this will allow you keep you stock struts a little longer as long as you do not "drop" the car to much. The next kit they have is the "autoX" kit. This kit comes with 370lb springs in the front and 515lb springs in the rear(remember stock is 249lb ft and 440lb rear). This is a "nice" kit for "hard" street tires and and a novice driver that is scared of throttel lift oversteer in turns.
For autoXers using larger than stock stickie(200 or lower tread wear numbers) tires,Ground Control offers custom spring rate kits. These can be had by calling them and telling them what spring rates you need with your kit. My advice as a good starting point for this is 515lb for the front and 850lb in the rear......A word of waring! This is stiff, real f-ing stiff but brake dive will be almost gone and there will be very little body roll. If you try these high spring rates with 300TW(tread wear) or harder tires, your tires will spend a lot of time sliding sideways as your tires will not have enough grip to allow your suspension to take the proper set( kinda like a racing gocart)....fun, but not fast....
Remember, you can order new springs for about 130 a pair if you wish to try another rate from GC
My current set up is 370lb front and 600lb rear and the highway ride is very nice. This is on 225/45-17 falkan 459 tires. I do not recomend this set up. The front purch is all the way to the top of the threads and the car is not high enough with the 6 inch tall spring. I am going to try a 400lb spring that is 8 inchs long to get the right LCA angle. I also want to raze the spring rate in the rear to about 700lbs



Ok, I have come across the question a number of times. The makers of springs have a system of marking their springs. For example, if you order some Ground Controle coilover sleves with the autoX springs, you will see this stamped on the sides of the springs...
Front spring:150.64.66
Rear spring :150.64.92
The first number is the lenght in mm, 150 mm = 6 inches(25.4mm to a inch)
The second number is the width in mm, 64mm=2.5
And the 3rd number is in kg/cm, so 6.6=6.6k. Now to to convert "K" to to lb/in you X it by 56. so 6.6k=370lb and 9.2 k = 515lb rate springs.

Hope that helps.
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Old Nov 9, 2010 | 08:29 AM
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Default Re: Eibach Coilover problem *banging sound*

Thanks mustclimb for the info. I looked at the supension post and it is intersting. I'm still a noob at some stuff but I will continue to read about the setups.

And yeah my G-Controls look like the pic aside from the Giant OEM strut seat missing. Can that part be removed? It looks way better without that dish looking thingy!! LOL
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Budget Racer
Thanks mustclimb for the info. I looked at the supension post and it is intersting. I'm still a noob at some stuff but I will continue to read about the setups.

And yeah my G-Controls look like the pic aside from the Giant OEM strut seat missing. Can that part be removed? It looks way better without that dish looking thingy!! LOL
I cut mine off with a mini grinder......
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Old Nov 10, 2010 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mustclime
I cut mine off with a mini grinder......
Cool good info. I'd like to do that as well. I hate them ugly Mcphearson struts. There is no issues from cutting that off I hope?

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