Just wanted to get this off of Jacob's thread, but any idea why the oem radio wouldn't read the calibration disc. Its a 2011 Ram with the 7" touchscreen display (non nav). It just pops up with a message that says "Data CD" and won't advance any further than that. Could I rip the calibration disc and burn it in a different format?

I was really f'ing excited about playing with this thing tonight, I hope I can get the disc reading situation straightened out tomorrow!

 

seems to be a bad disc

http://www.diymobileaudio.com/forum/...disc-help.html

 

That's def not good for the amount of frustraion I feel for the situation at the moment, lol! I was so hot and bothered about playing with this thing! Do you still have your setup disc? I bet I could prob get the guy to send you a cpl bucks for the files if you wanted. Ill have to talk to him tomorrow and let you know... That is, if you're interested, or even have the calibration disc.

 

I have mine somewhere in the shop

In the mean time, look through the topic and u should find the file you need. Burn that to a disc and it should work.

 

Will do... I was just trying to pawn off my dirty work to somebody else bc im a lazy bastard, lol, and don't love my customer's that much :p

 

you could charge the customer for it. make some extra labor dollars if he doesn't want to do it himself

 

Yeah, we'll see depending on how I feel tomorrow. I mean, its not even my product, we don't even sell the thing, I was just gonna give him some options if he wanted them. Its all good. If he wants me to put the leg work in for him, ill do it if he wants to pay for it. Plus, I wanna play with that damned MS-8 anyway... Figure out what all the fuss is about. Ever since edzy was talking about that thing like a month and a half ago, I cant get away from it. Its stalking me, like a crazy ex-gf... I open Performance Auto and Sound, and there it is, a big, fat, full paged ad on page 51 for the thing, and this guy randomly shows up at my shop with it today, not to mention the other 3 or 4 times if seen in pop up in someones thread. Before a month and a half ago, I had never heard of it, now I can't hide from it. Its a sign from some crazy car audio god telling me I have to use it. edzy, this thing better be all that!!!

 

i haven't heard much bad about it, except that you HAVE to use the little display to tune, and the fact that you have no ability to adjust x-over settings on the fly. you have to resetup the profile. kind of an inconvience if you wanna fine tune easily

 

So pesimistic jacob... :p Yeah, I started trying to research it a little bit also, that does suck that you have to redo your whole profile, but the positive side of it is that it seems to only take 5-10 mins to do it. Im gonna try and convince the guy to leave his truck with me tomorrow, and Im gonna see if i cant get it wet, i mean tickle, i mean put it in, i mean play with it all day, and Ill do a mini review. My review won't count for much, considering that my only experience with DSP's only include that old school RF one, I forgot the name of it, but it was black, and the remote illuminated green, the Alpine stuff (the PXA and Imprint), and the RF 360.2. So, I wont be able to compare to some of the other DSP's you guys have used, but if there is anything specific you want me to find out about it while i have its pants down, i mean, while its in my bay, let me know!

 

I wouldn't charge him..it's not his fault that the cd doesn't work..that's jbl's fault.

 

Yeah, but not my fault either :/ I dont even sell the thing, not a JBL retailer at all, and I bailed him out bc he ordered it on his own, and couldn't figure out how to install it himself, after he ran 4 channels worth of spkr wire for me, and told me it was 90% isntalled, lol! But yeah, if its not a huge deal, i prob wont charge him at the end of the day, as long as he lets me play with it, bc I did make plenty of revenue off him bc he also had me do 3 pairs of speakers and an amp and sub, plus the "10%" left to do on the MS-8 install

 

i guess the main question is where did the customer buy it? it wasn't purchased from joey's company. was it purchased from JBL Directly, or from an authorized dealer, or what??

 

even considering the short setup time, you can't just make and adjustment and listen to it and change it, you have to go throught the whole setup process for every single change.

and this is me optimistic...HAHA. i'm supporting my claims with facts, and not just saying i don't like it. HAHAHAHA. i've researched it, it's really cool due to the internal amp and it's completely stand alone.

 

Yeah, that's one of my main gripes with the unit

It also doesn't work well with pro audio stuff.

 

Jacob, your optimism is contagious! We'll see what happens if the guy lets me play with it, Ill play different types of music, and try to see how big of a pain in the a** it is to make adjustments on the fly... Anything else you guys want me to try to do with it while I've got a free one to play with?

 

haha...no, i think i'm good.

 

Are you sure Jacob, you sound sincerely interested in the unit, lol! I think you secretly love the idea of redoing the whole profile vs making x/o adjustments on the fly... I don't mind digging into this one fairly deep for you :p

 

Okay, so just an update, I got to the shop today, and called the guy to see if he wanted to drop his car off with me, I couldn't give him an exact time bc I was booked today, I had two R/S alarms, one with the smart start (a 2010 carolla, and 2009 suburban), a deck with bose sub integration in an acura TL (you know, the ones with like 24 screws that are all in retarded places, and the bose eq behind the dash, 1999 to 2003, I believe) A deck and sat tuner in a mini cooper, and a hardwire a deck into an altima and try to fix the dash due to theft... But, he wasn't down with leaving the truck with me and trying to work him in, so I've got him coming in tomorrow. I did find the files and downloaded them into the shop computer for the MS-8 calibration today, so, Ill burn it tomorrow and set it up, and post my opinion on this beast of a processor tmrw night or the next day...

 

oh how i miss busy days like that!!!

 

Yeah, at this point, its just a day in the life. I haven't had a slow day since I worked in FL... (a year and a half!) Gotta love working in Atlanta!!! Slow days make me wanna jump off a bridge. The day just creeps by like a snail, and I feel like I'll never get to go home, lol!

 

it's cool though...things are getting better, haha

 

Okay, so I got to play with the MS-8 for a while today... To be honest, its an impressive piece. The install was extremely straight forward, If you've got a two channel input that has full range audio, you can just use that for signal, or if you've got a premium factory audio system like a BMW 7 series with harmon kardon, you can take the oem signal for the 3-ways up front (6-channels) + the factory sub (L&R)(2-channels) (8 channels total), and send all that signal to it, and the unit will signal sum everything so you can get a full range two channel output, or use it for up to an 8 channel output. So whether you're trying to integrate a simple oem civic radio, or an exremely complex masarati system, this will work for you. Set up is sooooo simple. Too easy in fact. I think that is what JBL/Harmon Kardon was going for when they designed this piece. The ease of the set up, is actually the units downfall, IMO. Just as Cobb2819 was concerned, you can't really fine tune your adjustments on the fly. During the set up, the very simple and straight forward menu options, ask straight up, what "predetermined" (meaning, you can't say what you want to input, you have to use the numbers that the processor gives you) slopes and points you want to use. For example, for your front speakers, you can choose a slope of -6db/octave, -12db/octave, -18, or -24. Then you have to choose the roll off frequency, I forgot the exact frequencies you get to choose, but you can't input manually what frequency you want. Once its set up, you cant change it without deleting all of your settings and starting over. Its not a huge deal, bc setting the thing up only takes 5 to 10 mins, but I would say that the unit is not really intended for an advanced tuner, who wants complete and total control. Its basically just set up one time, and forget it type of unit. $800 retail for the thing is def worth it, and bang for the buck, its great. It could take a stock premium system, and dramatically improve the sonics without adding anything. This thing will make your stock stereo sound completely different without adding amplifiiers, changing the source unit, or even the speakers. The built in amp is kind of pointless IMO, the power output from it is nothing to be very proud of, I believe 18w per channel, by 8 channels. (although, that may be more power than some stock stereos provide.) I would prefer to use the system just for the processing side, and add my own amps. At the end of the day, Its great, for the above average audiophile, who is looking for ease of use and great sound. The thing is very simple to use, and to make your system sound great. The headphone type microphone is awesome, (It allows the end user, to be able to sit in the car during the tuning, and the processor can account for soundwave reflection and absorption while the listener is actually in the drivers seat, unlike most other processors that tune the sound to flat while just a microphone is sitting on a tripod. Once a driver is in the seat, the driver's legs and arms are going to make the sound do different things, bc the arms and legs could block some of the sound coming from the speakers after the system is tuned to flat, and then you end up with some peaks or cuts from reflection that aren't there when only a tripod is sitting in the front seat, vs a human being.) and what makes it so easy is that there just aren't many options when it comes to the fine details. The unit has eveything already programmed inside, so you can't input your own info. The fact that it limits you to the info you want to input, vs the info the unit has stored would be what I consider its downfall for many installers. There def isn't anything wrong with being easy to set up, but some would just prefer to be able to make quick little adjustments to a certiain area of the processing, without affecting the rest of the processing, but you can't. that could get frustrating for some of us. After playing with the thing for a little bit, I understand why edzy is so high on the unit. Its def worth the money, and would make even the most serious audiophiles be hardpressed to say anything negative about the final sound ouptut. Personally though, I would prefer a little more flexibility during the tuning process.