...We don't want him, lol.

 

hey hes yours now ! he was stupid enough to find " American muscle "

 

LOL, what's dumb about switching to cars that run faster bone stock than most Hondas do with built motors and gutted a chassis?

 

Just read that link.
I find it hard to understand a level of stupidity like that. It boggles me.
Absolute muppet!

 

why would you make a thread of this? seem's more GDD then all motor tech...

 

Most of the import fan boys have a negative opinion of american muscle, though I'm not sure exactly why. I think a lot of it stems from the perception that OHV pushrod motors are archaic in design since they've been around forever. Most don't stop and see the difference between the GEN 1 small block and the latest LS series engines. Nothing "archaic" about them. The heads on the new vette motor, for example, are some of the best production heads I've seen.

 

Wow. Just sad.

 

Though not entirely related to this discussion, i've always thought one advantage of a plain 2 valve per cyl design with most OHV and SOHC's would be less parasitic loss in torque due to less overall valves in operation.

 

Any additional friction of a 4V design is more than offset by the additional curtain area of a 4V design. To a point, of course, but if you look at the most fuel efficient passenger car engines in the world, they're all multi-valve design, and the design criteria for that is very sensitive to frictional losses.

 

 

that haves to be someone messing around ... ive heard of some stupid ppl and have even done some dumb **** in my life but come one ...... and why dose the guy say "ya know" after ever dam sentance .... it probly a ford boy ****in around

 

Agree. Nothing he said made any sense at all...

 

I still read the whole thing, and LMAO.....

 

 

Hide your kids, hide your wife.

 

being that we build these motors all the damn time, i have to say i love the ls1 motor. When a 6L truck short block with some 225 tricks on top and a mild comp cam (stock intake, TB, junk long tubes) makes 395 with an unlocked converter it just goes to show you how much an advantage the LS series engines have over mostly any platform that cant use an LS (from a natural aspiration standpoint). We havent had the chance to rip apart a new LS motor other than a few of the SS Trailblazers and even those are pretty impressive for what they are. We had a friend of ours with h/c/i/e tune that ran 11's without any weight reduction.

really the only thing honda's have on their side is weight and head flow. A stock LS head (non z06...etc...straight z28) flows like **** compared to an H22 or K20.

The new 5.0 mustangs are a different story in itself. Completely stock it make 369whp. We added an intake, axle back mufflers, and a tune and it made 419whp. Picked up 70whp from stock in portions of the midrange. It also helps that ford finally moved to an ecu controlled cam phasing.

but whatever. let people be ignorant if they want.

 

Blakes got it right. The L92 heads are the "desireable" factory heads. Have you guys had a chance to do anything with AFR's LS1 stuff?

 

The LSX ..is awesome.. period..
Me being a honda fan boy, after i'm settled in, my first buy is a new CTS-V.. i love...v8's.

also like blake mentioned.. ford's gotten it str8 too.. they fired all their shitty designers and now got some real **** making power.

 

just sold my dads slp lid trans torque bushing and genattelli maf sensor < think i spelled that wrong) to this guy with a 02 trans am , his car was a beast, love the sound that the lsx's put out ..even the older lt1 ... if i ever buy a new car non honda its deffinitly gonna be a f-body with ls1

 

I am a fan of technology and design. I do know of a few advantages inline motors have though. I think motors like the 2JZ and RB26 come to mind. I've read that the oem 2JZ bottom can handle 1000+whp. Inline motors have the advantage of revs as well as not having separate banks of rods creating an opposing stress on the crank. Power isn't everything. Weight and gearing are huge subjects of interest. You talk to most diehard V motor heads and they call u a liar if you tell them 215-250whp in a honda without forced induction can propel you into the 11's.

 

So ture about the Diehard Muscle Fans saying that a Honda with 215-250 has no chance of running 11s.

"But Billy Bob, my 83 4-Door Caprice with a 350 P1 is only running 12s. ain't no way your hamster motor is running 11s."

 

Haha that **** was priceless

 

Yup, there is a lot of ignorance in both sides. Its a natural human tendancy to "choose a side", even when there's absolutely no reason to.

 

The CiVette is a good example of both worlds..

Although its fun beating on a car equiped with a engine three times the size of yours, in the end there's no replacement for displacement

 

if I had money to choose Id either have a nice F body or c5 vette. there is just too much potential with ls series motors and you can do some pretty sweet junk yard builds with the 6.0l truck blocks and l92 heads.

as for stock 2j holding up to 1000 hp... idk every time I go to the track one blows up lol.