when it comes to tuning I don't know much. I know about spark, fuel, ignition, air, timing. I'm not the tuner in this story my friend is. So when it comes to what to get and the best bang for my buck, what would be a good system to go with? I've had my mind set on Hondata s300 but anytime soon I don't think i'll be able to afford it. I've heard of other systems you can use EcTune, Crome, etc. but what's the cons and pros of each system on a p28 ecu? Is there a system that has the same capabilities of the hondata s300 at a cheaper price?
and if you need to know what i'm working with is a D16z6 P&P job, DSM 450cc injectors w/ resistor box, aftermarket FPR, Stock Block, Stock valvetrain & cam, planning on boosting 8 psi on a 14b w/o tune, but would like to tune.

 

For your setup I would suggest Crome gold. I had ectune but just bought S300 because people have been using it way longer and my tuner knows s300 like the back of his hand. With ECtune you have to buy the licence $200 put a hudlog and an ostrich plus modify the ecu and you also need your own laptop to install the software in. So it adds up. Check out: http://www.hondamarketplace.com/show....php?t=2136926 in the classifieds. He will hook you up for all your needs in tuning.

 

ectune, neptune, hondata, uberdata, and crome all work by modifying base honda code. out of all of them i like crome and hondata best. but when it comes down to it crome is cheaper and scriptable (meaning if you can code/write scripts you can make it do whatever you want) if you cant afford hondata go crome it will work for about 95% of the honda's out there.

 

That's what i'm leaning towards is the crome but really for 200 dollars more might as well go with Hondata right? I appreciate all of your input

 

what is your engine setup? crome is probably more then you need.

 

Crome is not bad at all. Neptune is also great.

 

I had the S200 and switched to Crome gold. I can't want to get rid of crome. It has been nothing but trouble. Im currently saving for the s300.

 

No, it is not the same.
If you calculate it, the price difference is not much. (s300 = $490 retail, crome + demon = $350)

And people wounder why Hondata is a little more expensive?
Real r&d and testing is done, the end user is not a beta tester lol.

 

NepTune is just 399.

 

There is nothing wrong with crome 99% of the time its user error. Some of the highest horsepower stock motor cars on this site use crome. The highest hp stock b series makes 600whp+ on crome.

Here is my advice...dont listen to people who just want to sell you something else.

https://honda-tech.com/forums/showth...=stock+highest

B series:

B18C, LS/VTEC:
1. crx=si 605hp, 364tq stock B18C1 TO4R at 26psi Crome-pro with traktek 100oct
2. d1deez- 550 stock B18c1 Sc61-s 25psi C16 (9.95@142)
3. stOOpid tuned 523whp on 22psi and a 50 on C16. All stock B18C1 (11.00 @ 133)
4. C squared motorsports 518whp 324tq 20lbs on C16 and PT67
5. Super-hatch 509 whp 350tq at 21 psi on c16 tuned by JASON hunt
6. fuccarlos 508whp 361tq @17psi on c-16 (10.40@136 1.5 60')
7. marco B18C1/B16 head 480whp @ 23/24 psi on C16 tuned by jason hunt
8. GodFather of Boost 470 on c16 @20-21
9. gunslinger 465whp ?? tq E85 @ 17 psi
10. ngogsr 462.52 fwhp 320.87 tq 23psi c 16

 

No one on that list is making anywhere near the highest hp on this forum. There are people making 1000+. But I bet you won't find many, if any, people making anywhere above 600+ using Crome. **edit* I realize thats a list of stock motors, but I don't find that impressive. I bet most of those motors aren't running today.

I agree that most "bugs" are user error, Crome does have its drawbacks and it shows more when it comes to turbo apps.

If you're not doing the tuning, then go with whatever your tuner recommends.

 

i had crome for 2months and during that time it was nothing but trouble!! it threw a solid cel, making it seem like the ecu was bad, i spent money on a known good ecu put my chip in it still had the cel problem, my check engine light for my distributor would not illuminate, because of the cel, thought it was a wiring a problem fixed wiring still same cel!!! threw crome away>s300 plus new dizzy is all must haved gliched or flashed

 

Crome is my emergency standby, eCtune is the software I chose to use. Works great, easy to use. Only down side used to be having to license the software all the time. That's not an issue anymore. Honestly I wouldn't waste my money on Hondata, there are many other cheaper alternatives that work just as well if not better for the price!

 

it probably really is. All I got is a stock block d16 with ARP head bolts planning to boost 94 civic ex. has anyone ever tried an AEM Fuel & Ignition Controller (F/IC-6) ?

 

just run crome...much better then the aem fic.

 

Trust me, I know what crome is capable of.

Here is an example of an over 500 whp setup on stock sleeves on crome, tuned back in 2007:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTEohVFc3N4


I have tuned over 300 cars on crome my self.

With that being said. I would never recommend crome as tuning solution to any of my customers over the other solutions that are on the market currently.
Why? I don't feel it's worth the money over the competition. I really don't feel like breaking down every detail as to why. These kinds of threads are all over the archives.

 

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so hondata doesnt require a chipped ecu?
hondata doesnt require a laptop?

 

When my customers come to me all they purchase is a chipped ecu and a 27sf512 eprom....for about $175 out of their pocket for ecu and chip I can then tune them on the dyno and send them on their way....no tuning solution out there even comes close to being that cheap. The base price for just the s100 alone is $195. For 95% of the people I have tuned over the last 6 years crome was more then adequate for their setup.

 

I agree, s100 is a bit expensive for what you get. Who knows maybe Hondata will lower the price as the s100 system is becoming almost obsolete.

Authorized eCtune and Neptune dealers can tune a car for a minimal single car license fee using a regular chipped ecu.
IMO this is the best way to go if your on a budget & don't need to tune your self etc. :-)

 

550 fully part/WOT tuned on the dyno with neptune license.

I find it oddly funny that people are so willing to spend JDM money on worthless parts and then cheap out on engine management and tuning costs like its something that doesnt mean that much when in reality its what brings the WHOLE setup together. Sad.

 

But it's Free.99 for engine management!

They expect to actually have to pay for JDM parts.

 

No way, pay money for tuning?
Actually have the car ready for the tune?

I swear people bring their cars in knowing they have electrical & mechanical issues expecting a "tune" to magically resolve all of these issues. Almost as if they are going to the family doctor & paying a $20 co-pay but asking the doctor to perform brain surgery!

 

What does this minimal license fee cost? If it cheap enough I would consider it.
But for now ive been running crome version 1.2 with my modified bins with modified timing tables so i can retard the timing as much as i want and its been perfect.

 

It's lame that you have to even do that :-)
The avg person can't figure that stuff out...

Contact the software vendors about becoming an authorized dealer etc.