Well guys, the time has come for me to do away with the SHITTY lowering springs and stock struts on my 95 ex sedan. I found a website with damn good prices and I'm trying to figure out what the best combination is.

I can kind of see which ones are gonna have somewhat better performance, based on price but I know that's not everything.

I hear everyone talking about using tokico blues and things like that. Are these the same as the tokico hp's? Like a nickname of sorts?

What about the Tokico Illuminas? I take it those are the higher grade struts?

What are your opinions on the Koni sports and Koni streets? I see the streets are the red and the sports are the yellows, but how do they stack up against each other and against other brands like Tokico?

What about the KYB AGX? And the GR-2?


And what about springs????? Help me out here fella's, I'm lost...


ALSO.

Can anyone confirm that the reverse wire running along the frame rail on the driver side to the plug/junction immediately behind the rear seats in an eg civic is the thicker (12g I think?) Blk/grn or maybe grn/blk wire?

 

Cheap productions are cheap for a reason. What are your goals for a suspension setup and what is your budget. And we can better help you.

 

Well honestly I have about 5-700 to spend on suspension in the long run. This car is my daily driver. Wv roads are very unforgiving and poorly maintained. Potholes plague me so I'm looking for something that's gonna make my ride more enjoyable. As it stands right now i feel every little imperfection on the roads. I want something that isolated the cabin from the road a little more, more like a luxury car.

However, I want to stay more or less slammed as I am now. I'm scraping oilpan and exhaust on every speedbump in the valley, and I'd like it if my bumper could clear a parking block. But I wonder if I should just be gearing myself more towards coilovers rather than a traditional shock and strut combo?

 

Save up more money and buy Koni yellows and GC

 

Aye, spend the money.

If you're really anxious, I've said this brand a lot lately, Progress CS-II are very affordable.

 

do this, 799 isn't far from where you are


#1 reason people suggest this is that you won't be replacing it. at most you'll change spring rates. in 99% of the cars on the forum this is plenty of adjustability and performance. only a hardcore track care will have the need to go above what this set can do.

 

Vague question, but what is up with spring rates anyways? Again, I'm lost fellas...

 

And where are you guys getting your prices? Looking at the cheapest places online, I'm totalling 899 and up...

 

Our sponsor marketplace is kick-***. It's hard to find lower prices than our forums sponsor marketplace.

They really cut a deal for us with the massive exposure this website brings them. Not to mention an extremely competitive pricing market.

 

is this your daily driver? If so then I'd say get some Tanabe NF210s and AGX struts. good product and good prices. Shop around and you'll find some good deals.
http://www.kyb.com/products/shocks/agx.php
http://www.tanabe-usa.com/nf210.asp?id=2

 

x2, just be patient and brows throughly and you'll find everything you want.

 

this is the real reason. the car parts market is cut throat

 

No ****. And expensive lol. So who can explain to me abou spring rates and what these equate out to?

 

Spring rates almost ultimately decide the comfort and handling of your car, they need to be appropriate to the damper with which you pair them with to be a good combination. The "rate" measured in pounds usually is just a measurement of pounds needed per inch of compression in the spring as far as I know. So 600lb/in would mean 600lbs to compress the spring an inch.

OEM rates are something like ~220 front and ~170 rear.

Typical off the shelf rates for "race" springs and ground controls run about 350/250 or 400/300 etc.

Once you make the back stiffer than the front you start seeing the "bouncy" ride but that's where the performance really is.

Most people recommend nothing higher than 450/350 for daily driving. More commonly people ride 350/250 or less.

Good springs like H&R race, Neuspeed race, Eibach sportline, or good coilovers like ground control will have pretty strong rates like 350/250 off the shelf.

Most people strongly recommend getting Koni/Ground control because it's the best thing you can get for under $1000. Cheap suspension is cheap for a reason. It doesn't last, it's not good for what your think it is, and doesn't have a great warranty. The cheapest I'd personally go is the progress CS-II in the sponsor marketplace. At $579 it's hands down the best thing cheaper than Koni and you can pick your own rates.

Quality products that ride well and last typically come with a price tag. Well worth it if you'd rather do your suspension once rather than blow a shock or mess up something else in your suspension.

 

So why go with somethin like a shock+spring combo instead of full blown coilovers? I saw a BUNCH of good deals on coilovers in the marketplace.

 

has zero impact on ****


if koni tack welded a gc collar on the same shock you would have a "full coilover" check out tein, that's a collar on a shock. the only place koni gc lacks is with the coilovers like the skunk c that can go down without effecting preload. if you ride cholo this may matter. for the rest of us, we don't mind.

 

cheap coilovers are cheap for a reason.

The only trusted cheap coilover with good customer service and cheap replacement parts I've found is the Progress CS-II. At $579 there's no way you're going to find a better company and product for cheaper.

 

koni sports have a small range of ride height adjustment to them. around 10mm i think. Pretty cool for a shock/strut

 

Well i've found good deals oncoilovers so I may look to
go that route rather than doing seperate shocks and springs. But as I understand it, it will give me full adjustability instead of having a set lowered height. Right?

 

If you get a coilover sleeve you can adjust the height any time.

 

go stare at some, it will answer all your questions...seriously

 

You can't expect us to spoon feed you all this info, look around online, quit being so ****ing lazy. Everyone here has answered your questions fully, now get the **** out of this thread and look around for yourself.

 

Well I have looked around a bit, but because there are so many different shock, spring, and coilover making companies, it's hard for me to determine which has what I'm looking for. So I ask people who are more well versed in this area. Thanks for the discouragement though.

 

Im not trying to be totally mean but you gotta set a budget, find out what features you want, and then it comes down to quality withing your criteria.

I run KW Variant 2 and i love them, i got them because they are stainless steel bodied, their dampers are some of the best in the world, and the spring rates are not ridiculously high (Progressive). They are reasonably priced compared to tein flex, AMR, apexi, zeal, etc. and KW has good costumer service.

Go from there

Edit: They also have adjustable rebound dampening (1 3/4 rotations of the ****) and who says no to German engineering? Plus, theres a little bit of that baller status, not many people run KW, most people spend less than $1000 on coilovers.

 

and less than 1000 means 799 for the koni sports and ground controls. do research rates and get an idea of what will work for you before you buy though