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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 05:39 PM
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For "EK." I can get both for about the same price and was curious if anyone had some personal experience with the H&R Ultra Low's?? The GC/Koni feedback is all over this site(obviously), but the only cars I see on the HR's are VW's/Audi/BMW etc. I would REALLY like to do the H&R's if they provide a decent ride and handle good....just lookin for some info before I buy. Thanks fellas

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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 06:54 PM
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Those helper springs would be nice, My friend doesn't have any and his car goes, clink clink when he turns the wheel from a stop. Never heard of those! pretty spendy though compared to Koni/GC
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 07:09 PM
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Default Re: Looking for experience: H&R Ultra Low VS. GC/Koni

Originally Posted by clean rice
I can get both for about the same price
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 07:34 PM
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I doubt the ones for the ones for an EK have helper springs, as even KW don't have them for our cars (ie my DB8). (S2000 does though).
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 07:38 PM
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We did a Jetta at my work about a month ago and they had them.
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 07:42 PM
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Well maybe they do, i'd call H&R to confirm.
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 07:46 PM
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Maybe I wasn't clear in my post. I was looking for personal experience with the H&R suspension, not if it had "helper" springs or not. I could really care less, I'm asking how they ride/handle. Not if they have helper springs or not. Thanks.
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 07:52 PM
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I'm pretty sure you're outa luck on this board. I seriously don't think anyone here runs H&R coilovers. They are much more popular with the german crowd. You might get lucky though. For a little more than that KW V2 are great, i ride on those.
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 08:18 PM
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How much were your KW's? I can get these HR's for $850
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 08:22 PM
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Mine were $1271.xx I didnt know you'd get them that cheap, thats a good price, if you google H&R Ultra Low's review you'll find some of the VW crowds input.
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 08:37 PM
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Yeah my place of work is an authorized dealer for them. That and Eibach but I don't think the Eibach's will allow me to go that low. I've read some of those VW's reviews, but most of them are on large wheels and really don't sit that low(as compared to a car on 15" wheels). I knew it was kind of a shot in the dark, but I figured I'd ask anyway =P
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 08:41 PM
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Yeah, but you never know you might get lucky. What are the spring rates on those and the eibachs?
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 09:38 PM
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No idea haha
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 09:46 PM
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OK, no problem
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 04:11 PM
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I have three sets of ultra lows. All the way up they will be too low for you.


But yes, they ride great. Progressive springs and very short stroke.
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 04:35 PM
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All the way up, meaning not lowered at all - will be too low for me?
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:05 PM
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IMO, unless you are changing up your style haha

Cranked all the way up is probably around a 3.5" drop. What are you looking to do with this setup? I wouldn't track/auto-x with the ultra lows.
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:08 PM
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Default Re: Looking for experience: H&R Ultra Low VS. GC/Koni

Thats is seriously low
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:12 PM
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they are germen shocks, hence the reason that they are on many germen cars. From what i hear they are great shocks but the rears are non adjustable for ride hight only the fronts are adjustable. In my opinion the kw would be the next step up after the koni/gc set up. So if you would like to spend more money and get a better product i think kw is the way to go. In the end its all up to you and what you want.
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sicc83
IMO, unless you are changing up your style haha
lol Well on their website/catalouge, they claim that it starts @ 2", but is adjustable to 3.5. But now that you say that, the customer's Jetta we did last month was a "street" coilover...his fender meets the top of the tire and he's not even 1/2 way down on the threads. Wow man I'm glad you said somethin cuz it's kinda makin some sense now. I appreciate it!!
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:31 PM
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Yeah there's no way I would be able to get my car up to a 2" drop even with stock size tires. The stoke is so short that you can't raise them very far before you just start to preload the coils. Since they are progressive springs you effectively end up with a bunch of dead coils. They really are designed for going very low. Here's a shot of the droop on my old hatch.





This is my "EK" all the way up:

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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:35 PM
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Here's one more I just found in the archives to give you an idea. Sorry for the scanned photos circa 2002.

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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:36 PM
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KW's are awesome, i have V2's on my DB8, haven't hit the track yet but the feel great on the street. Cornering is very controlled.
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:41 PM
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Wow man. I can't thankyou enough. The 88-91's start at 3" and go down to 5, but regrardless...if your EK is all the way up....yeah - thats not gonna be the suspension for me lol! Thats the height I would like to be @ maybe 1/2 ~ 3/4 thread. Big big thanks!!!
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Old Sep 23, 2010 | 06:44 PM
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No problem, glad I could help.
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