94 Accord F-Series Turbo build
I've done endless reading on forums, but I'm still left some of the more complicated questions.
Here's the plan, in short:
F22B Turbo. H-Series transmission.
Should I turbo the F22b1 or the F22b2?
Would it help to get a larger TB like from a prelude? I read on another forum that it's will fit and it is larger.
I'll just start with these two.
Here's the plan, in short:
F22B Turbo. H-Series transmission.
Should I turbo the F22b1 or the F22b2?
Would it help to get a larger TB like from a prelude? I read on another forum that it's will fit and it is larger.
I'll just start with these two.
Wouldnt it make more sense for you to send your stuff out to BlackTrax or one of those companies to work on the pieces? Check out their website, I think you might find some more information/answers there.
I recently boosted a stock f22b1 single cam v-tec, and on 9.2psi i made 251whp and 251ft/lbs! safe for daily driving and fun as ****. only thing i did as far as motor is new OEM head gasket and arp head studs. Stick with the f22b1 man.
So h23 intake mani should def be on the list.
I have the f22b1 right now. I would love to not have to buy another motor if I don't have to. I mean, if the f22b2 IS better, then I'll go with that AFTER my b1 blows.
Anyone know of any other, "better" exhaust manifolds that fit? I think the accord is 0-0-0-0 If not, how about tips on a brand of headers that are actually worth buying?
I have the f22b1 right now. I would love to not have to buy another motor if I don't have to. I mean, if the f22b2 IS better, then I'll go with that AFTER my b1 blows.
Anyone know of any other, "better" exhaust manifolds that fit? I think the accord is 0-0-0-0 If not, how about tips on a brand of headers that are actually worth buying?
Will the h22 TB&Mani work as well? I read somewhere that it was SLIGHTLY larger. Probably not so much bigger that it's worth a hellofa lot more cash wise, but if I can get it for almost the same price, should I?
And the Skunk2 one is just way to out of my price range. Even on eBay it's over $600 for both the TB and the Mani. So it seems I'll be buying a used one from an old h22/h23.
And the Skunk2 one is just way to out of my price range. Even on eBay it's over $600 for both the TB and the Mani. So it seems I'll be buying a used one from an old h22/h23.
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Feel free to go with a bigger TB and IM, but it would be helpful to know what your goals are in more detail. If you don't need more than 250whp, there's not much need for them.
Knowing your power goal will also help us suggest other parts.
Btw, why are you talking about a header? Are you asking which exhaust manifold design would be best for your turbo setup? You can just run a cast log manifold and that should work fine for an initial turbo build. Cheap too.
Knowing your power goal will also help us suggest other parts.
Btw, why are you talking about a header? Are you asking which exhaust manifold design would be best for your turbo setup? You can just run a cast log manifold and that should work fine for an initial turbo build. Cheap too.
I was thinking last night, and a couple more questions popped into my head. For the h22 TB and IM and the H22 5sp tranny, what ECU will I have to get, since I'm keeping my f22b1? That's the one majoy confusing factor right now.
And yeah, that's what I meant (I'm piecing together a turbo kit, most likely), but I think it might be best to withdraw the turbo questions for now. I don't wanna ask TOO many questions at once. Lol.
And yeah, that's what I meant (I'm piecing together a turbo kit, most likely), but I think it might be best to withdraw the turbo questions for now. I don't wanna ask TOO many questions at once. Lol.
I was thinking last night, and a couple more questions popped into my head. For the h22 TB and IM and the H22 5sp tranny, what ECU will I have to get, since I'm keeping my f22b1? That's the one majoy confusing factor right now.
And yeah, that's what I meant (I'm piecing together a turbo kit, most likely), but I think it might be best to withdraw the turbo questions for now. I don't wanna ask TOO many questions at once. Lol.
And yeah, that's what I meant (I'm piecing together a turbo kit, most likely), but I think it might be best to withdraw the turbo questions for now. I don't wanna ask TOO many questions at once. Lol.
I personally would stick with your stock tranny if you've got it, as the short gears of the H22 aren't really necessary for a street turbo setup. Actually the longer gears will help you with traction, better tire life (from the resulting better traction), and mpg. It'll save you some money too (unless you already have the tranny, then disregard what I just said I suppose haha).
300whp is fine. You will want to start looking at some better internals at that power level though.
Keeping the f-series tranny I have no would help me out a lot. It would reduce the amount of work, obviously, and it would save me some money since I haven't bought the other transmission.
So stock ECU, stock tranny, keepin' the f22b1 of course...
gotta get the new TB and IM...
And then new internals. Any brand names or websites where I could buy good internals for the f22? I know most sites stick with k and h series parts.
So stock ECU, stock tranny, keepin' the f22b1 of course...
gotta get the new TB and IM...
And then new internals. Any brand names or websites where I could buy good internals for the f22? I know most sites stick with k and h series parts.
Talk to the guys at Race Engineering or Bisimoto Engineering. The guys at Race Engineering helped me put together the rod & piston combo for my build. Get customer service
FTR, this is still me. I just signed in with my facebook instead because for some reason I wasn't able to sign in with JJonN.
Anyway, so if I keep the stock tranny and engine, would I still need the p28 for just the new TB/IM?
Anyway, so if I keep the stock tranny and engine, would I still need the p28 for just the new TB/IM?
You need the p28 (or other tunable ecu, p72 etc) for any IM and TB combo on your f22b1... You need something that you can adjust your fuel map for boost. The stock POA ECU can't be chipped to be tuned. Once you have a chipped ecu, you can choose to run neptune, crome, hondata, ectune, or your tuner's preference for fuel management.
The B1 has the bearing cap girdle on the crank. Windage tray. Crank scraper. The B2 does not. I highly suggest the B1.
Last edited by HonBeer; Sep 5, 2010 at 08:46 AM.
Plus, it's always handy to have the stock ECU handy in case you need to revert back to a stock setup for various reasons.
I'm seeing the p28 on ebay for prices anywhere from $75-$700. The one that's $75 in an auction. There's not much info on it, but the guy has great feedback.
My main question is this, how do I tune it?
My main question is this, how do I tune it?
You need to find a performance shop/individual tuner in your area to do it for you. Rates may vary.
Well, YOU won't be tuning it. You could, if you've done it before, but I'd venture a guess and say you haven't haha. No problems though, it's something most people don't/can't figure out how to do.
You need to find a performance shop/individual tuner in your area to do it for you. Rates may vary.
You need to find a performance shop/individual tuner in your area to do it for you. Rates may vary.

Okay, well, since I don't have the cash to buy everything at once, I guess I'll just start piecing it all together, starting with the new TB/IM and p28 ecu. I need injecters and a new pump, too, right? Any suggestions?
There was a thread on another forum, Idk which, where this guy, who had a turbo charged H22, was having TB/IM problems. So he puts on an accord (f series) TB/IM temporarily while he's in search for another one to go with his h22. Of course he got picked on for putting this smaller, more restricting TB/IM on his turbo h22, but the key fact of the matter is, he did it. So I assume, if he can interchange them on his h22, that I could interchange them on my f22. Will it not work? Idk, maybe this guy was full of it.
I'll look for it. I'm not sure what I googled to find it the first time, but it was on a forum that I wasn't even signed up for.
In the meantime, I'll say this. I was told on HAF that the H23 would be a direct fit onto my f22. Idk how much different the h22 is from the h23, but.... yeah. lol. Hopefully I can get all of this figured out soon so I can decide whether or not to actually BUY them.
In the meantime, I'll say this. I was told on HAF that the H23 would be a direct fit onto my f22. Idk how much different the h22 is from the h23, but.... yeah. lol. Hopefully I can get all of this figured out soon so I can decide whether or not to actually BUY them.


