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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 11:46 AM
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Default 94 Accord F-Series Turbo build

I've done endless reading on forums, but I'm still left some of the more complicated questions.

Here's the plan, in short:

F22B Turbo. H-Series transmission.

Should I turbo the F22b1 or the F22b2?

Would it help to get a larger TB like from a prelude? I read on another forum that it's will fit and it is larger.

I'll just start with these two.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 01:35 PM
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my personal opinion turbo the the vtec engine. any forced induction engine would benifit from larger intake manifold tb and head work.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 02:15 PM
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Wouldnt it make more sense for you to send your stuff out to BlackTrax or one of those companies to work on the pieces? Check out their website, I think you might find some more information/answers there.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 08:23 PM
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I recently boosted a stock f22b1 single cam v-tec, and on 9.2psi i made 251whp and 251ft/lbs! safe for daily driving and fun as ****. only thing i did as far as motor is new OEM head gasket and arp head studs. Stick with the f22b1 man.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 08:53 PM
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F22B2 its stronger and if you get the H23 Intake Mani that would be great.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 09:02 PM
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So h23 intake mani should def be on the list.

I have the f22b1 right now. I would love to not have to buy another motor if I don't have to. I mean, if the f22b2 IS better, then I'll go with that AFTER my b1 blows.

Anyone know of any other, "better" exhaust manifolds that fit? I think the accord is 0-0-0-0 If not, how about tips on a brand of headers that are actually worth buying?
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 09:17 PM
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Will the h22 TB&Mani work as well? I read somewhere that it was SLIGHTLY larger. Probably not so much bigger that it's worth a hellofa lot more cash wise, but if I can get it for almost the same price, should I?

And the Skunk2 one is just way to out of my price range. Even on eBay it's over $600 for both the TB and the Mani. So it seems I'll be buying a used one from an old h22/h23.
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Old Sep 3, 2010 | 10:33 PM
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Feel free to go with a bigger TB and IM, but it would be helpful to know what your goals are in more detail. If you don't need more than 250whp, there's not much need for them.

Knowing your power goal will also help us suggest other parts.

Btw, why are you talking about a header? Are you asking which exhaust manifold design would be best for your turbo setup? You can just run a cast log manifold and that should work fine for an initial turbo build. Cheap too.
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 09:09 AM
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I was thinking last night, and a couple more questions popped into my head. For the h22 TB and IM and the H22 5sp tranny, what ECU will I have to get, since I'm keeping my f22b1? That's the one majoy confusing factor right now.

And yeah, that's what I meant (I'm piecing together a turbo kit, most likely), but I think it might be best to withdraw the turbo questions for now. I don't wanna ask TOO many questions at once. Lol.
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 09:38 AM
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As for goal, would 300whp be asking too much?
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 12:41 PM
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I was thinking last night, and a couple more questions popped into my head. For the h22 TB and IM and the H22 5sp tranny, what ECU will I have to get, since I'm keeping my f22b1? That's the one majoy confusing factor right now.

And yeah, that's what I meant (I'm piecing together a turbo kit, most likely), but I think it might be best to withdraw the turbo questions for now. I don't wanna ask TOO many questions at once. Lol.
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As for goal, would 300whp be asking too much?
You could run your stock ECU and run a standalone, get it chipped, whatever. You are already OBD-I so that's taken care of. Do some searching as this is a very common subject.

I personally would stick with your stock tranny if you've got it, as the short gears of the H22 aren't really necessary for a street turbo setup. Actually the longer gears will help you with traction, better tire life (from the resulting better traction), and mpg. It'll save you some money too (unless you already have the tranny, then disregard what I just said I suppose haha).

300whp is fine. You will want to start looking at some better internals at that power level though.
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 01:30 PM
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Keeping the f-series tranny I have no would help me out a lot. It would reduce the amount of work, obviously, and it would save me some money since I haven't bought the other transmission.

So stock ECU, stock tranny, keepin' the f22b1 of course...

gotta get the new TB and IM...

And then new internals. Any brand names or websites where I could buy good internals for the f22? I know most sites stick with k and h series parts.
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 05:07 PM
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Talk to the guys at Race Engineering or Bisimoto Engineering. The guys at Race Engineering helped me put together the rod & piston combo for my build. Get customer service
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 06:11 PM
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you can't chip the stock ecu, i'd look for a p28 that you can chip. That's a cheap but effective option.
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 06:16 PM
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FTR, this is still me. I just signed in with my facebook instead because for some reason I wasn't able to sign in with JJonN.

Anyway, so if I keep the stock tranny and engine, would I still need the p28 for just the new TB/IM?
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 07:27 PM
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You need the p28 (or other tunable ecu, p72 etc) for any IM and TB combo on your f22b1... You need something that you can adjust your fuel map for boost. The stock POA ECU can't be chipped to be tuned. Once you have a chipped ecu, you can choose to run neptune, crome, hondata, ectune, or your tuner's preference for fuel management.
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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 07:42 PM
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The B1 has the bearing cap girdle on the crank. Windage tray. Crank scraper. The B2 does not. I highly suggest the B1.

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Old Sep 4, 2010 | 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Andryzzle
you can't chip the stock ecu, i'd look for a p28 that you can chip. That's a cheap but effective option.
Good call. Wasn't even thinking about that, got concentrated on other aspects of tuning.

Plus, it's always handy to have the stock ECU handy in case you need to revert back to a stock setup for various reasons.
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Old Sep 5, 2010 | 02:51 PM
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I'm seeing the p28 on ebay for prices anywhere from $75-$700. The one that's $75 in an auction. There's not much info on it, but the guy has great feedback.

My main question is this, how do I tune it?
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Old Sep 5, 2010 | 05:48 PM
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I'm seeing the p28 on ebay for prices anywhere from $75-$700. The one that's $75 in an auction. There's not much info on it, but the guy has great feedback.

My main question is this, how do I tune it?
Well, YOU won't be tuning it. You could, if you've done it before, but I'd venture a guess and say you haven't haha. No problems though, it's something most people don't/can't figure out how to do.

You need to find a performance shop/individual tuner in your area to do it for you. Rates may vary.
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Old Sep 5, 2010 | 08:10 PM
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Well, YOU won't be tuning it. You could, if you've done it before, but I'd venture a guess and say you haven't haha. No problems though, it's something most people don't/can't figure out how to do.

You need to find a performance shop/individual tuner in your area to do it for you. Rates may vary.
Oh. Well that's actually a relief. Lol. I don't feel obligated to learn, now.

Okay, well, since I don't have the cash to buy everything at once, I guess I'll just start piecing it all together, starting with the new TB/IM and p28 ecu. I need injecters and a new pump, too, right? Any suggestions?
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 06:45 AM
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which IM are you getting again? I don't think there's a direct fit one for the f22b1, anything you get will require some modding.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 03:52 PM
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There was a thread on another forum, Idk which, where this guy, who had a turbo charged H22, was having TB/IM problems. So he puts on an accord (f series) TB/IM temporarily while he's in search for another one to go with his h22. Of course he got picked on for putting this smaller, more restricting TB/IM on his turbo h22, but the key fact of the matter is, he did it. So I assume, if he can interchange them on his h22, that I could interchange them on my f22. Will it not work? Idk, maybe this guy was full of it.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 06:18 PM
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find that thread.... i've never heard of that easy of a swap especially for a b1.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 06:28 PM
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I'll look for it. I'm not sure what I googled to find it the first time, but it was on a forum that I wasn't even signed up for.

In the meantime, I'll say this. I was told on HAF that the H23 would be a direct fit onto my f22. Idk how much different the h22 is from the h23, but.... yeah. lol. Hopefully I can get all of this figured out soon so I can decide whether or not to actually BUY them.
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