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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 08:49 AM
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Default 900+hp, Hydraulic factory rocker help!

Im getting things started early for next season and have a question. For of you who are in the 900+hp range or have been, have you seen and major wear on the the factory rockers, cams, (web,pro1's,kelfords, etc...). Im concerned about maybe breaking a cam at this level, due to boost pressure etc... I know people are out there doing this and I know a roller setup is the way to go on this but not wanting to really spend that kind of money less I really have to. I really trust my source who told me to go this route but am still wanting to hear from some others as well. Sorry, im not the best at explaining things all the time, hope it makes sence.

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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 09:25 AM
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what kind of oil makes a difference on these parts.. Ask Tony1 I think he had the problem a couple of years ago..
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 09:43 AM
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The roller really is the ticket. You can get aggressive on the ramp and it makes a big difference. What valve springs are you running?
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 09:55 AM
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If I were to do it all over again, I'd get a roller rocker setup.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 09:56 AM
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The roller really is the ticket. You can get aggressive on the ramp and it makes a big difference. What valve springs are you running?
They are ferrea springs. I bought Rota92's RLZ head, and it was setup for roller.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 10:16 AM
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what kind of oil makes a difference on these parts.. Ask Tony1 I think he had the problem a couple of years ago..
Ya, I have been talking to Tony about the whole deal because he is the one who will be tuning the car. And I use 20/50 Brad Penn oil.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 10:47 AM
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 10:50 AM
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Tony, the way things are going your going to own my house! haha. Damn it!
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 11:36 AM
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jasonp is right. The oil that you use really makes a difference in the head.

I've got spare OEM rockers is you ever need one. I switched over to the Web setup, so I don't need them.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 11:43 AM
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jasonp is right. The oil that you use really makes a difference in the head.

I've got spare OEM rockers is you ever need one. I switched over to the Web setup, so I don't need them.
Thanks man, Ya I may need them depending on the route I take.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:30 PM
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I have the stock ones in my car, never had any problems with them.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:31 PM
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My boy web cam
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:39 PM
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Thanks man, Ya I may need them depending on the route I take.
Just let me know homie.

PS. Just don't lose the house to car parts. lol
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:46 PM
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The cool thing about the Web is that you spread the valve spring pressure out over 2 lobes and it keeps the motion separate...that is how the rollers should be. You can get pretty aggressive on opening and closing the valve though with the roller
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:52 PM
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Just let me know homie.

PS. Just don't lose the house to car parts. lol
LOL, the house thing was a joke. ha.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:53 PM
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What all roller setups out there are worth a ****? How many actually roller setups are there?
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 12:54 PM
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If Miller ever gets me my rollers/cams maybe I'll put them in my daily NA just so it sounds cool
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 02:01 PM
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I have the stock ones in my car, never had any problems with them.
what cams, hp level, and boost level, if you do not mind me asking.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 85mmek9
what cams, hp level, and boost level, if you do not mind me asking.
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 07:19 PM
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Default Re: 900+hp, Hydraulic factory rocker help!

since you guys are on the topic of roller vs pads...which can be used more on a street/track car?...will the ferrea rollers rockers be able to take alot of street miles...or are both system race only ..
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 07:45 PM
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the rollers would be a nightmare on the street. ive had my ferrea roller set up in my head for like 5? years now. everything still looks brand new. put new springs/retainers in it not too long ago. havnt used the web stuff
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Old Aug 25, 2010 | 08:34 PM
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im guessing cam wear is less on rollers than on pads...the web cams are more money than the rollers why run them over the ferrea rollers...i know driveability under 5k rpms must suck....but you cant expect factory driability on a race car...i just wanna be able to take out for a spin...a car wash...etc..
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 04:40 AM
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Rollers are not as good.... in my opinion.

You get more contact area with a web pad vs. the roller. Think about what that means....
Less stress on the cam shaft
Less stress on the springs
You have one lobe per valve which means you can do some trick stuff with tuning the head now....

Originally Posted by Turbo-charged
the rollers would be a nightmare on the street. ive had my ferrea roller set up in my head for like 5? years now. everything still looks brand new. put new springs/retainers in it not too long ago. havnt used the web stuff
That's very dependant on the grind.... not the fact that it's a roller setup.
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 05:42 AM
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lol, im going to bash my head into the computer screen now.....thanks haha
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Old Aug 26, 2010 | 06:08 AM
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[QUOTE=tepid1;43389515]Rollers are not as good.... in my opinion.

You get more contact area with a web pad vs. the roller. Think about what that means....
Less stress on the cam shaft
Less stress on the springs
You have one lobe per valve which means you can do some trick stuff with tuning the head now....

Explain how a roller vs pads has any effect on valve spring wear......camshafts beingthe same.
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