alignment question on eg hatch
i got a question, im going to do a alignment on my car after i put on the new tires, do i have to replace all my bushings on the front end of the vehical? the two knuckle arm bushings with the castle head nuts seems to be ok and the front LCA bushings seems to be in ok shape i mean they have a little crack but are still very stiff and still holds, the only bushings i see thats kinda fuccked is the tie rod bushings, but again it holds very stiff no play or nothing... i was thinking about just changing the tie rod bushings for the hell of it.
and one last question, im currently running some cheap ebay coil overs, i have herd that coil overs can increase wear on the innerside of the tire threads and say that springs would be better and will help save tires from wearing out. should i replace the coil overs with regular springs before i take it in for a alignment?
and one last question, im currently running some cheap ebay coil overs, i have herd that coil overs can increase wear on the innerside of the tire threads and say that springs would be better and will help save tires from wearing out. should i replace the coil overs with regular springs before i take it in for a alignment?
If you don't feel any side to side or up and down play in the wheel when its off the ground your good to go for an alignment, as for the tire wear, you shouldn't see much if any your alignment gets done. Extreme negative camber can cause the inner sides of the tires to wear out but your car needs to be slammed to have that much camber. All you can adjust on your car is toe, (unless you have aftermarket kits) so just get that set and you'll be fine. Just keep the springs for now if there is nothing wrong with them, you don't want to be swapping between springs because that's going to change the ride height and therefor change the alignment again
If you don't feel any side to side or up and down play in the wheel when its off the ground your good to go for an alignment, as for the tire wear, you shouldn't see much if any your alignment gets done. Extreme negative camber can cause the inner sides of the tires to wear out but your car needs to be slammed to have that much camber. All you can adjust on your car is toe, (unless you have aftermarket kits) so just get that set and you'll be fine. Just keep the springs for now if there is nothing wrong with them, you don't want to be swapping between springs because that's going to change the ride height and therefor change the alignment again
If you see cracks in bushings replace them. You cannot impose nearly enough force on those as the car in motion can. And worn tie rods lead to no steering...YIKES!!! Check inner and outer tie rods...easy enough to replace...but also easy enough to screw up the install...get the proper torque value for the inner toe rods for sure and make sure the rack gear is basrelt sticking out of the housing before torquing it...
Tie rods don't have bushings, its a dust boot on the outer and a bellows boot on the rack for the inner, just to keep dirt out and grease in, he already said they have no play in them but if those are torn your going to lose all your grease and they will start wearing out eventually
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I know tie rods don't have bushings...I was referring to the OP's comment about cracks in the LCA bushings. They should be replaced if they have cracks. That is a sign of age, wear and failure. The OP cannot possibly exert the same amount of force on the LCAs as the car will in motion...so a small crack may indeed be very big under load.
If you are going through the trouble may I suggest Mugen hard rubber? The labor is the same...the cost for the LCA bushings can be a tad pricey, but the handling improvement is quite noticable! ...and from my perspective the increase in harshness is barely noticable.
wel i got the alignment done I didnt have a camber kit so they couldnt do anything about the camber, but will that -3.0 camber wear out my tires?? Here are the specs
BEFORE
Camber
Left front: -3.0 degree
right front: -3.7 degree
Caster
left front: 0.0 degree
right front: 0.0 degree
Toe
left front: 0.90 degree
right front: 0.55 degree
Camber
left rear: -1.1 degree
right rear: -1.5 degree
Toe
left rear: 0.28 degree
right rear: .017 degree
AFTER
Camber
Left front:-3.0 degree
right front: -3.7 degree
Caster
left front: 0.0 degree
right front: 0.0 degree
Toe
left front:-0.03 degree
right front: -0.02 degree
Camber
left rear: -1.2 degree
right rear: -1.5 degree
Toe
left rear: 0.06 degree
right rear: 0.10 degree
BEFORE
Camber
Left front: -3.0 degree
right front: -3.7 degree
Caster
left front: 0.0 degree
right front: 0.0 degree
Toe
left front: 0.90 degree
right front: 0.55 degree
Camber
left rear: -1.1 degree
right rear: -1.5 degree
Toe
left rear: 0.28 degree
right rear: .017 degree
AFTER
Camber
Left front:-3.0 degree
right front: -3.7 degree
Caster
left front: 0.0 degree
right front: 0.0 degree
Toe
left front:-0.03 degree
right front: -0.02 degree
Camber
left rear: -1.2 degree
right rear: -1.5 degree
Toe
left rear: 0.06 degree
right rear: 0.10 degree
It might a little bit, but I wouldn't worry too much, investing in some adjustable upper arms to get the camber around -1.5- to -2.0 wouldn't be a bad idea
i have herd that the aftermarket camber kits can hit under the shock towers and sometime crack it?? but whats a good and affordable camber kit?
I have dented shock towers thanks to my set...
Then again, your caster is off to begin with...
Be sure to get rubber and not polyurethane if you don't want them to squeak.
Personally, I would try and find out why the caster is so off, and why the camber is so different right/left, before worrying about the camber. I went 30k miles with -4* of front camber, and my tires wore perfectly fine and evenly, so I'm big believer that camber isn't an issue with regards to tire wear.
Yes, sliding balljoint type camber kits are all taller than stock, and reduce available suspension travel.
I have dented shock towers thanks to my set...
Yes, but the vast majority of alignment shops won't be able to keep the caster correct when using these, due to how they adjust.
Then again, your caster is off to begin with...
Be sure to get rubber and not polyurethane if you don't want them to squeak.
Personally, I would try and find out why the caster is so off, and why the camber is so different right/left, before worrying about the camber. I went 30k miles with -4* of front camber, and my tires wore perfectly fine and evenly, so I'm big believer that camber isn't an issue with regards to tire wear.
I have dented shock towers thanks to my set...
Yes, but the vast majority of alignment shops won't be able to keep the caster correct when using these, due to how they adjust.
Then again, your caster is off to begin with...
Be sure to get rubber and not polyurethane if you don't want them to squeak.
Personally, I would try and find out why the caster is so off, and why the camber is so different right/left, before worrying about the camber. I went 30k miles with -4* of front camber, and my tires wore perfectly fine and evenly, so I'm big believer that camber isn't an issue with regards to tire wear.
Be very careful with Ingalls...the kit I used about 10 years ago came with very long ball joint studs. At normal ride height the top of the control arms came into contact with the uni-body after a pretty agressive drive. The angle of the upper arm, in part, determines roll center locations...so pay attention to this detail as well.
"Cambers" isn't a word, as it is not a noun to pluralize.
The sliding ball joint UCA pictured will reduce suspension travel.
These are the type of adjusters I was discussing as better for suspension travel, but nearly impossible to avoid screwing up caster when adjusting:
Just thought I would throw this out there...
A car can have 0 degrees mechanical trail but have positive caster angle...or it can have postive mechanical trail and postive caster. The caster angle is what helps stright line stability...when the catser line intersects the ground at the center of the contact patch we have zero mechanical trail. When it intersects the ground ahead of the tire's center line we have positive mechanical trail. We can also have 0 caster angle and positive mechanical trail...like a shopping cart. But like a shopping cart, caster angle also helps to keep the wheels from wiggling back and forth...although I am not entirely clear about this aspect of caster. Then we get into pneumatic trail... but another time.
Steering wheel returnability can be washed out by caster since caster lifts one side of the car's body and drops the other. SAI on the other hand is equal left and right and is really repsonsible for helping the steering wheel to return to center; SAI raises both side and both gravity and the tire's self aligning torque help straighten the steering wheel.
Yes!!! Not plural...nice.
A car can have 0 degrees mechanical trail but have positive caster angle...or it can have postive mechanical trail and postive caster. The caster angle is what helps stright line stability...when the catser line intersects the ground at the center of the contact patch we have zero mechanical trail. When it intersects the ground ahead of the tire's center line we have positive mechanical trail. We can also have 0 caster angle and positive mechanical trail...like a shopping cart. But like a shopping cart, caster angle also helps to keep the wheels from wiggling back and forth...although I am not entirely clear about this aspect of caster. Then we get into pneumatic trail... but another time.
Steering wheel returnability can be washed out by caster since caster lifts one side of the car's body and drops the other. SAI on the other hand is equal left and right and is really repsonsible for helping the steering wheel to return to center; SAI raises both side and both gravity and the tire's self aligning torque help straighten the steering wheel.
Yes!!! Not plural...nice.
Caster should be +1*, not 0. Positive caster provides straight line stability, and helps force the wheel to recenter itself.
"Cambers" isn't a word, as it is not a noun to pluralize.
The sliding ball joint UCA pictured will reduce suspension travel.
These are the type of adjusters I was discussing as better for suspension travel, but nearly impossible to avoid screwing up caster when adjusting:

"Cambers" isn't a word, as it is not a noun to pluralize.
The sliding ball joint UCA pictured will reduce suspension travel.
These are the type of adjusters I was discussing as better for suspension travel, but nearly impossible to avoid screwing up caster when adjusting:

Last edited by meb58; Aug 31, 2010 at 04:46 AM.
Caster should be +1*, not 0. Positive caster provides straight line stability, and helps force the wheel to recenter itself.
"Cambers" isn't a word, as it is not a noun to pluralize.
The sliding ball joint UCA pictured will reduce suspension travel.
These are the type of adjusters I was discussing as better for suspension travel, but nearly impossible to avoid screwing up caster when adjusting:

"Cambers" isn't a word, as it is not a noun to pluralize.
The sliding ball joint UCA pictured will reduce suspension travel.
These are the type of adjusters I was discussing as better for suspension travel, but nearly impossible to avoid screwing up caster when adjusting:

and how do i get the caster to the positive 1* side?
...vibration...try this first. Drive at the speed at which the steering wheel shakes, then take the car out of gear...then put it back into gear. If the vibration goes away while the transmission is in gear the car has a driveline problem...if the vibration does not go away then we have to diagnose that in a different way. But first eliminate the driveline from the equation.
Uneven caster will cause the steering wheel to pull to one side, it will not cause a vibration...more kick back if excessive perhaps, but not vibration
Uneven caster will cause the steering wheel to pull to one side, it will not cause a vibration...more kick back if excessive perhaps, but not vibration
Doing so will also throw off the toe curve (cause bumpsteer). Been there, done that, won't try it again.
I would look into why it is currently off (what parts are bent / damaged), and not try and "band aid" fix it.


