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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 09:52 AM
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Default Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

went and got an alignment today but it still pulls to the left. below is the print out . please let me know if you see something out of place. the place told me it was my camber causing it to pull to the left????

Driver front wheel


Passenger front wheel


Driver Rear wheel


Passenger Rear wheel


print out sheet 8mp
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...4/19b2e595.jpg


i do notice the driver wheel looks like its pushed up to the bumper more then the passenger

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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 11:30 AM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

Were you in the car when they did the alignment?
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 12:05 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

no
never seen a shop that lets you be in the car for an alignment and for what reason
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 12:49 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

your camber is off on the right for whatever reason. thats the only thing i can think of from the charts. unless your axle is binding.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 01:04 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

Originally Posted by komat
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never seen a shop that lets you be in the car for an alignment and for what reason
I won't go to a shop that won't put me (or an equivalent weight) in the car for the alignment.

The reason is that you change the alignment of the car when you get in due to the weight compressing the suspension.

The cross caster could cause a slight pull.

Also, they set more toe in on the driver's side than the passenger side, front and rear, which could cause some pull.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:00 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

the -2.5 camber is correct for the ride height youre at for the front right.

your hunch on the front left being off is definitely to be of concern. thats not enough camber for the drop you have. that and the position is off leads me to believe youve had some issues there. oddly tho the caster doesnt show to be far off.

look at your control arms. probably the lower one is bent or the compliance bushing is bad. just look.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:01 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

sitting in car or out of car doesnt matter and is not the problem here.

he's not trying to corner balance it. just get it going straight.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:02 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

also since youre front left toe was so far off before, im assuming your tire is not longer even either. that also contributes to a bad alignment. did you get new tires?
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:15 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

also, if the left tire is worn different than the right one. getting an alignment and still having a bad (worn) tire on the left could contribute to the pull.
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:19 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

i had it on the lift yesterday
the control arms to my eye look straight or not bent. i guess i will start off doing a lca first and go from there
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Old Aug 17, 2010 | 03:41 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

after looking at the wheel one more time. the driver side wheel sits out more pass the fender then the passenger. just a little bit to notice it
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 08:42 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

if any thing is bent that could cause it as well or tire pressure are low
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 07:02 AM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

i don't it a pull i think it a steering wheel of center issiue due to un even front toe and as far as somthing bein bent you would have notice it in the sai and included angle
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 08:25 AM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

you clearly have more negative camber at the right wheel which would cause a pull to the left. are they adjustable coilovers? regardless, make sure the height is even on both sides. maybe a spring is sagging. i believe ideally, you do want a slight amount more positive camber at the left wheel to make up for the angle of the road. but not a whole degree, as you have there
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 06:40 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

Have you tried swapping the front wheels side to side, then seeing if the pull goes the opposite direction?

Could be radial tire pull.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 07:13 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

Its still pulling because they didnt adjust camber/caster. Toe wont cause a pull, just a crooked steering wheel. If you get the camber close to the same on both sides the pull will go away. Even if there both out of spec as long as there equal the car will drive stait. Also try swapping the tires side to side to see if its radial pull. hope tthat helps
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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 09:19 AM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

^^^^. correct. It can be 4.0 as long as they are equal they wont pull.
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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 11:11 AM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

You have over 1 degree difference in camber from fr left to fr right. Takes about 1* of difference to cause a pull...if right side fr camber is more negative than the left, this will cause a pull to the left.
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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 11:12 AM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

Toe does not cause pulling..it's a tire wearing angle...camber, caster, and tires cause pulls.
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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 12:10 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

two new tires up front fixed the problem
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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 02:48 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

Originally Posted by Evs-One
You have over 1 degree difference in camber from fr left to fr right. Takes about 1* of difference to cause a pull...if right side fr camber is more negative than the left, this will cause a pull to the left.

speaks the truth. I had the same situation and it pulled very scary.....
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Originally Posted by komat
two new tires up front fixed the problem
Congrats on getting it solved.
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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 03:33 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

Originally Posted by 95delslo
Toe wont cause a pull, just a crooked steering wheel.
apparently you forgot about thrust angle.
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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 03:34 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

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also since youre front left toe was so far off before, im assuming your tire is not longer even either. that also contributes to a bad alignment. did you get new tires?
Originally Posted by komat
two new tires up front fixed the problem

called it!


your welcome.
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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 04:26 PM
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Default Re: Got an alignment but still pulls to the left- have print out

i wish they would even out the camber... i probably will take it in again since its under the 6months/6000miles warranty sears alignment.

so since these tires that came with the car are pretty new. could i just use them in the rear or are they garage?


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