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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 08:48 PM
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I went to get an alignment today for my 94 EJ2 and was told that I needed a camber kit. I am no suspension expert so I was wondering with the following specs do I need a camber kit?. I just don't want my tires to wear out like crazy. Thanks.

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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 10:28 PM
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read the stickys bro https://honda-tech.com/forums/suspension-brakes-54/no-you-do-not-need-camber-kits-2614449/
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 10:31 PM
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you're fine, as long as the toe is minimal and you don't do a massive amount of burnouts your tires will last a decent amount of time.
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Old Aug 10, 2010 | 10:35 PM
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i don't get why your initial camber angles, which were quite negative, were made even more negative for the final readings.
and why the hell do you have -3 degrees caster at your LF wheel?
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 02:59 AM
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Your camber and caster is completely messed up on your front left wheel. Negative caster is not good at all. Find whatever is broken/bent and fix it. The rest of the numbers look fine, I assume the car is lowered a little?
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 04:45 AM
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rear is fine. your left front wheel is fubared though.
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 07:08 AM
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What should I look for on the left side that is throwing my numbers out of spec? Do you think a bad UCA can be the reason why my left numbers are dramatically off? Thanks

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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 07:41 AM
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i'd say bent knuckle or lca. something along those lines.
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 10:29 AM
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camber kit is not a solution, its a cover up.

something is up with your FL suspension. worn balljoint, bushings, or bent control arm or knuckle.

a little car history would help determine exactly, but only taking a VERY close look would know for sure what needs to be replaced.

but really, your car will drive fine. no need for a camber kit. i would just be concerned about why the front left is so far out compared to the others.
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 10:37 AM
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I bought the car a week ago for my younger brother from an elderly couple. Everything was stock on the car until I installed skunk2 pro c coilovers. Vehicle is clean title but I'll need to take a look on the bottom left siide for any visible damage.
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 06:39 PM
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Another thing is my LF camber being affected by my really bad LF caster?
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Old Aug 11, 2010 | 09:47 PM
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is this a refutable alignment shop? cuz i'm still curious as to why they adjusted the camber even further negative. maybe the person working the rack didn't know what the hell he was doing. just a thought
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Old Aug 12, 2010 | 04:15 AM
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Adjusting toe affects camber.

I agree with all of the others here...you might want to bite the bullet and replace the upper control arms, the lower control arm bushings, replace the lower ball joint - the upper comes with the new upper control arm - ...check the uni-body for damage and then make sure you installed the coilover kit correctly...meaning both side are exactly the same...might want to replace tie rods while you are at it.

All of those potential areas affect caster, camber and even toe...these are all safety related components!

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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 06:14 PM
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Finally got to take a look at the FL suspension and everything looks ok except the UCA looks like this. Anyone have some input whether this looks regular? Thanks
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Old Aug 18, 2010 | 10:41 PM
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sure, it looks a little tweaked. havent looked at a eg/dc recent enough to tell, but i do know theyre supposed to be symmetrical and swappable between left and right. and that doesnt look like it. but it could be the shading.

you could take it out and compare both sides...
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 04:22 AM
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oem ones are not supposed to be swappable left to right. that pic above does look kinda tweaked.
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 10:23 AM
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Does anyone have any recommendations on where to get a UCA? I was thinking about purchasing a used oem one on ebay.
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 08:22 PM
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dude i feel your pain im running a -4 on the fronts!
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 08:38 PM
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CAMBER DOES NOT I REPEAT DOES NOT KILL TIRES!!!!! toe killes tires
i have living proof a buddy has been running -6.5 camber in tha rear for about 4 months an tires look new still

if toe is good the tires wont drag while driving invest in tie rods an rear traler arm adjustments
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Old Aug 19, 2010 | 08:53 PM
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Yeah I now understand how camber does not kill tires. I am just trying to find out how to fix my very negative caster.
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Old Aug 20, 2010 | 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by kyden
oem ones are not supposed to be swappable left to right. that pic above does look kinda tweaked.
sorry, i thought they were. it does look like they have separate part number L/R. im not as familiar with EG stuff, the aftermarket **** ive seen looks like theyre symmetrical.
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by meb58
Adjusting toe affects camber.
it actually doesn't. although adjusting camber does affect toe, this does not work vise versa.
this is because of the placement of the tie rod joint in relation to the upper ball joint

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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 07:31 PM
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CAMBER DOES NOT I REPEAT DOES NOT KILL TIRES!!!!! toe killes tires
i have living proof a buddy has been running -6.5 camber in tha rear for about 4 months an tires look new still

if toe is good the tires wont drag while driving invest in tie rods an rear traler arm adjustments
while toe is certainly the number 1 killer of tires, i don't believe this statement for a minute. it's simple geometry when you think about it. if you have wheels, which are supporting the entire weight of the vehicle, and are in motion yet angled to that degree, the amount of force placed on that small contact patch is magnified immensely. just think about the geometry, weight and motion involved for a minute.
not to mention the havoc it wreaks on your bearings, which were never meant to handle lateral pressure

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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by el crapitan
it actually doesn't. although adjusting camber does affect toe, this does not work vise versa.
this is because of the placement of the tie rod joint in relation to the upper ball joint
I've probably done over 1000 alignments, If your toe is way out of whack like his was, it is going to affect the camber a little bit when you bring it back in, that's why his camber went from -2.8 left side and -1.5 right side to -3.0 and -1.7. I know its not much, just saying
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Old Aug 21, 2010 | 08:41 PM
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Look at what caster does...when you turn the wheels, they camber. Adjusting toe will change the camber a slight amount.
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